Kit Hannah
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Oh, I see RED meakes a video card, but what do people use to monitor it?
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Oh, I see RED meakes a video card, but what do people use to monitor it?
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Kit Hannah
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I see the Astro monitors start at only $60k. Ima buy 2...
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Kit Hannah
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That's why i was going to buy the 2nd one, so I could give it as a gift! I only need one, since my HD capabilities will only take up 25% of the screen anyways. But I figure I will wait, because at the rate that TV prices are falling, this monitor will probably be $499 on Black Friday, 2011 at Walmart
S. Matthews
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I don't know I herd they don't resolve a full 4k, and they overheat, and take forever to start up.... wait a second I've herd this somewhere before....
p.s. I'm joking I know nothing of these monitors.... just in case some don't pick it up.
Ryan Patrick O'Hara
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On the bright side, if Jim announces this today, it'll still be years until we see it! 
I kid, I kid.
He's right, eventually. I'm sure that we will have 4K home media at some point in time. Just how or when that will happen is completely dependent on many things. His point of view is definitely riding on the more optimistic time-frame. But that's coming from a multimillionaire who's used to pushing boundaries in the professional market... one that is always ahead of consumer. Despite whether or not we can do it, his mindset is really pitted against the rolling release business model of Sony, Panasonic, etc... so I don't think they are going to immediately trash their 1080 lineups and revamp for 4k on a whim.
It's the future. But how far into it? Progression takes time and the cooperation of manufacturers (make the cameras AND the televisions, like Sony), broadcasters (like ABC and NBC) and distributors (like Comcast, to make the infrastructure get it into the home). It will happen in time. Pushing might speed things up a little but you'll need all three to get it going. Their business model and existing infrastructure is just now running smoothly at 1080 and getting into a growing number of homes. They will fight for a little bit to keep things going as they are now, before the next big jump. But trust me, they are thinking about it for when the time comes.
I kid, I kid.
He's right, eventually. I'm sure that we will have 4K home media at some point in time. Just how or when that will happen is completely dependent on many things. His point of view is definitely riding on the more optimistic time-frame. But that's coming from a multimillionaire who's used to pushing boundaries in the professional market... one that is always ahead of consumer. Despite whether or not we can do it, his mindset is really pitted against the rolling release business model of Sony, Panasonic, etc... so I don't think they are going to immediately trash their 1080 lineups and revamp for 4k on a whim.
It's the future. But how far into it? Progression takes time and the cooperation of manufacturers (make the cameras AND the televisions, like Sony), broadcasters (like ABC and NBC) and distributors (like Comcast, to make the infrastructure get it into the home). It will happen in time. Pushing might speed things up a little but you'll need all three to get it going. Their business model and existing infrastructure is just now running smoothly at 1080 and getting into a growing number of homes. They will fight for a little bit to keep things going as they are now, before the next big jump. But trust me, they are thinking about it for when the time comes.
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Barry_Green
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The Consumer Electronics Association has just recently published that 65% of American households now have at least one HDTV. If you'll recall, HDTV's went on the market in, when was it, 1999? So 11 years to cross the threshold of acceptance. Except not really, because for the first five years nobody bought any HDTVs in any measurable percentage. According to the Leichtman Research Group, on average, an American household buys a new TV once every five years. And that would seem to make sense then, because they really can't buy anything other than HDTVs, so now the percentage of household penetration of HDTVs has soared in the last five years. Because people are demanding HDTV? No, not really; it's that they buy something new, and by default they're getting HDTVs because there really isn't anything else out there.
Interesting in 2007 Leichtman did a similar study, and they found that 40% of HDTV owners (and 20% of all adults) believed that they already owned an HD DVD player (presumably either HD-DVD or blu-ray). That number would of course dwarf the total number of high-def DVD players in existence, so clearly the conclusion is that people don't even know or care what they've got.
In a Nov. 2008 study they found out that lots of people think they're watching HD even when they're not. They can't even tell the difference.
According to a study by Magid, only 2/3 of HDTV owners even bother to subscribe to any sort of HDTV service (whether OTA HD broadcasts or HD cable or satellite, etc). Which means 1/3 of them out there don't have any sort of HD service, nor do they seemingly care.
Leichtman also says that over 80% of customers are aware of 3DTV, and that 24% have experienced it and even rate it as "excellent" -- but that only 8% are "very interested" in getting 3DTV. And 1/3 of the adults who had watched it rated it as "poor". In other words, don't count on a big transition to 3D.
So what does this mean for 4k? It's taken 11 years to get a decent level of penetration of HDTVs, and lots of folks still won't even bother to watch HD, and there are plenty of them out there who have no idea that what they're watching ISN'T HD already. So how long, realistically, do you think it'll take for them to all decide to spend extra to upgrade to 4K in the home? 30 years maybe? 40?
Consumers move much slower than the manufacturers would like to think. Look at the sales for blu-ray vs. DVD -- they're still stuck at about the same overall numbers, 90% disc sales are standard-def DVD and 10% are blu-ray. Hot new releases are showing more and more blu-ray, but overall? Not so much.
I really don't think the broadcast world is going to be all that concerned about 4K for a long, long, long time. Although it's possible that the manufacturers will leap on it and start pushing it heavily, since 3D is a flop. Again.
Interesting in 2007 Leichtman did a similar study, and they found that 40% of HDTV owners (and 20% of all adults) believed that they already owned an HD DVD player (presumably either HD-DVD or blu-ray). That number would of course dwarf the total number of high-def DVD players in existence, so clearly the conclusion is that people don't even know or care what they've got.
In a Nov. 2008 study they found out that lots of people think they're watching HD even when they're not. They can't even tell the difference.
According to a study by Magid, only 2/3 of HDTV owners even bother to subscribe to any sort of HDTV service (whether OTA HD broadcasts or HD cable or satellite, etc). Which means 1/3 of them out there don't have any sort of HD service, nor do they seemingly care.
Leichtman also says that over 80% of customers are aware of 3DTV, and that 24% have experienced it and even rate it as "excellent" -- but that only 8% are "very interested" in getting 3DTV. And 1/3 of the adults who had watched it rated it as "poor". In other words, don't count on a big transition to 3D.
So what does this mean for 4k? It's taken 11 years to get a decent level of penetration of HDTVs, and lots of folks still won't even bother to watch HD, and there are plenty of them out there who have no idea that what they're watching ISN'T HD already. So how long, realistically, do you think it'll take for them to all decide to spend extra to upgrade to 4K in the home? 30 years maybe? 40?
Consumers move much slower than the manufacturers would like to think. Look at the sales for blu-ray vs. DVD -- they're still stuck at about the same overall numbers, 90% disc sales are standard-def DVD and 10% are blu-ray. Hot new releases are showing more and more blu-ray, but overall? Not so much.
I really don't think the broadcast world is going to be all that concerned about 4K for a long, long, long time. Although it's possible that the manufacturers will leap on it and start pushing it heavily, since 3D is a flop. Again.
Kit Hannah
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Wonderful post, Barry. You said a couple of things in there that really peaked my interest though, specifically the "can't buy anything other than HDTV's" and "the manufacturers will leap on it and start pushing it heavily". I too believe many people don't care really, but I also believe that in 10 years TVs will all be at least capable of doing 4k. Beyond 3D, other than resolution, there isn't really anything else that will push people to get new TVs at this point in time. So they have to push forward with something or TV sales will tank.
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Barry_Green
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Witness 3D.
S. Matthews
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honestly most consumer consumers I know buy the best and the rest follow them (once again the people I know), and for the most part the reason they are not buying new TV's is they have 1080 already, or got raked over the coals to get new tech and now have to wait out the life of their set before splurging on a new one (make full use of a product and not throwing it out when you get bored of it what a concept), now will 4k be affordable in the foreseeable future? I have no idea? did people pay ludicrous amounts for HDTV's yes yes they did.
oh and talking about big markets for me what pushed high def and those area's are two things (name the movie if you know what I am talking about), video games and porn, those are the driving forces, honestly HD porn has enough problems, so lets just focus on 4k gaming, that could take over, and those fanboys would take any increased resolution no matter the amount.
honestly though who knows what the future holds, if you did wouldn't you be very rich by now from using that knowledge to your advantage, perhaps you have lived for a while and amassed so much money to be labeled a billionaire, and who knows decide to make a passion company to fill a void in a field you are passionate about but are not satisfied with it's tools, but then again I don't know the future so.....
as you might tell I'm in a weird mood, but seeing how you don't know me how could you know that.... I'll let that pass, well I had a good time with my fam (and a bottle of red the wine not the company), got my shopping done and now I can stop production on my hastily put together Christmas special (not for lack of quality but time) so i wish to you and yours a merry Christmas and a happy new year.
i bid you adieu
oh and talking about big markets for me what pushed high def and those area's are two things (name the movie if you know what I am talking about), video games and porn, those are the driving forces, honestly HD porn has enough problems, so lets just focus on 4k gaming, that could take over, and those fanboys would take any increased resolution no matter the amount.
honestly though who knows what the future holds, if you did wouldn't you be very rich by now from using that knowledge to your advantage, perhaps you have lived for a while and amassed so much money to be labeled a billionaire, and who knows decide to make a passion company to fill a void in a field you are passionate about but are not satisfied with it's tools, but then again I don't know the future so.....
as you might tell I'm in a weird mood, but seeing how you don't know me how could you know that.... I'll let that pass, well I had a good time with my fam (and a bottle of red the wine not the company), got my shopping done and now I can stop production on my hastily put together Christmas special (not for lack of quality but time) so i wish to you and yours a merry Christmas and a happy new year.
i bid you adieu
Homunculus
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Barry I still have a VCR and record shows onto Tapes. i don't own a blu ray and don't even know what TiVO really is apart from people keep mentioning it.
so yeah i'm not sure how close 4k television is. on the other hand people are telling me that some japanese companies have already demo'd 8k television at trade shows so who knows.......
so yeah i'm not sure how close 4k television is. on the other hand people are telling me that some japanese companies have already demo'd 8k television at trade shows so who knows.......
Barry_Green
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You know when the first modern HDTV system was demonstrated and working? 1974. The MUSE television system by NHK had 1125 lines of res (more than today's 1080), and it was demonstrated almost forty years ago.
Actually, according to Wikipedia, the French have that beat to death. The first French television system was HD, started in 1949 (1949!!!) and was 819 lines. That's more than 720p HD. Over sixty years ago. They discontinued it when PAL's 625 line system was adopted in 1984.
So HDTV has been with us since at least 1974, and as long ago as 1949. So some Japanese company is demonstrating 8K? Okay, let's check back in forty to sixty years from now and maybe it'll be widespread. :thumbsup:
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TheReverend
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Really if you think about it, the standard (not gold standard) for quality IS DVD. People buy DVD's and they will continue to do so for a loooooong time. The other standard that is becoming VERY widely accepted is Netflix streaming. I mean everybody I know seems to have a Netflix account and streams videos to their xbox, roku, or digital device. Everybody seems to be very happy with that!
When Netflix streams to HD mode for me, I'm like "cool, this is in HD." But really, it doesn't majorly affect my viewing experience. And that's the way 90% of consumers are. They like and want HD, but it's not necessary enough to them to get it working.
The masses are content with HDTV or DVD quality in the home. And it will stay this way for a long time.
When Netflix streams to HD mode for me, I'm like "cool, this is in HD." But really, it doesn't majorly affect my viewing experience. And that's the way 90% of consumers are. They like and want HD, but it's not necessary enough to them to get it working.
The masses are content with HDTV or DVD quality in the home. And it will stay this way for a long time.
Kit Hannah
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I know what the future holds but unfortunately I don't know how to make 4k TVs....
Kit Hannah
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But there must be a happy medium because 1 year is too fast for acceptable technology change at this point.