Finally Bloom's review!

mcgeedigital said:
I disagree.
The frame grabs of the menu structure alone were worth it.
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While menu structure may tell you how convenient an option is to locate, you can adapt to different structures.

If they aren't afraid of it, and now I think Canon was afraid (very afraid) on their DSLRs, someone will post some resolution, moire and aliasing tests. Even if only with the Nano if they agreed not to test the pre-production AVCHD codec.

Sorry, but menu struture doesn't end up in the recorded images.
 
Jesse Brauning said:
The FOV crop compared to S35 film is just 1.18 - an extremely minor crop difference. Think Hollywood, not photographer, and you'll be put at ease.
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I hate crop factor. Hate, hate, hate it. It leads to so much confusion.

The FOV crop compared to Super35 is not1.18. It is much closer to 1.3.

Compared to a 7D sized sensor, it is 1.18.

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Now, I happen to agree. People need to leave the photography mindset behind when they are shooting video. It has it's own standards.
 
"The low light was really good, not full frame DSLR amazing, but MILES better than my GH1."

DSLR's have their shortcomings, for sure. But man, I've really been spoiled by their ability to shoot in low light. I'd definitely need in invest in some fast + wide glass for the AF100.

 
For anyone coming with strictly video experience, the m4/3's FOV is a none issue. I know for me it will be plenty wide with lenses below 40mm. I'm gonna be stoked.

For all the photographers or 35mm adaptor folks, this the crop factor is gonna be a hard change. But honestly, for all those who HAVENT jumped to DSLR shooting, it's gonna be a beautiful beautiful breeze! I mean, there is LOTS of professional applications for this cam, and I think professionals will be looking at it. With the HDSDI out, it has everything a film, tv show, or advertisement needs.
 
"... sensor size being micro four thirds means most of your 35mm lens are a bit telephoto. With a 2x crop from a full frame 35mm sensor you lose a lot on those lenses. So my 50mm gives me a field of view of 100mm. That is the biggest issue. ....Panasonic urgently need to bring out some fast wide lenses."
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From a cinematographer's point of view THERE IS NO ISSUE HERE whatsoever. Can you imagine pros(especially those coming from film background) talking like "Man, we got a 25mm wide angle lens (cine) for the scene, and damn it has a crop ratio of 1.2 comparing to a still photography lens !!!"
I dont know whose brilliant idea was to compare cinema lens FOV to still lens FOV to judge a camera's abilities, but IMHO it is not a fair or rational comparison. When Canon makes a camera and call it FULL FRAME they are talking for the still photography community.

So as it is been told many times AF-100 has a crop ratio of appr. 1.2 COMPARING TO ACADEMY 35 MM standard, PERIOD.

If you cant live with that fact never herd the term 'taking a few steps back to reframe', no worries there will always be FULl FRAME still cameras for your need.
 
VGurcu said:
From a cinematographer's point of view THERE IS NO ISSUE HERE whatsoever. Can you imagine pros(especially those coming from film background) talking like "Man, we got a 25mm wide angle lens (cine) for the scene, and damn it has a crop ratio of 1.2 comparing to a still photography lens !!!"
I dont know whose brilliant idea was to compare cinema lens FOV to still lens FOV to judge a camera's abilities, but IMHO it is not a fair or rational comparison. When Canon makes a camera and call it FULL FRAME they are talking for the still photography community.

So as it is been told many times AF-100 has a crop ratio of appr. 1.2 COMPARING TO ACADEMY 35 MM standard, PERIOD.

If you cant live with that fact never herd the term 'taking a few steps back to reframe', no worries there will always be FULl FRAME still cameras for your need.
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Agreed!

I wish they'd make the attached photo a "sticky" to kill these endless crop discussions once & for all. (Photo credit: Glenn Przyborski.)

That's a strip of academy format 35mm motion picture film next to a GH1's sensor. The AF100 sensor is likely the same or very similar to the dimensions as the GH1 (or GH2) sensor. Compared to this popular 35mm motion picture film format, the crop factor is about 1.18.

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Duke M. said:
While menu structure may tell you how convenient an option is to locate, you can adapt to different structures.

If they aren't afraid of it, and now I think Canon was afraid (very afraid) on their DSLRs, someone will post some resolution, moire and aliasing tests. Even if only with the Nano if they agreed not to test the pre-production AVCHD codec.

Sorry, but menu struture doesn't end up in the recorded images.
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I'm sorry, does someone owe you something?

The preview is what it is, and it sure beats reading the press release again!
 
Sorry guys. I feel really stupid about my not understanding. But Bloom is right. For indoors one needs wide and would like fast as well. I'm a bit disheartened that such a beast doesn't walk the earth...
 
Steve Kahn said:
Sorry guys. I feel really stupid about my not understanding. But Bloom is right. For indoors one needs wide and would like fast as well. I'm a bit disheartened that such a beast doesn't walk the earth...
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Like I said. Hopefully, a lens manufacturer will see this need and fill the gap.
 
RGBaker said:
A 30mm lens on a 4/3 or m4/3 will give the same angle of view as a 60mm lens on a full-frame 35mm camera. The focal length of the lens stays the same, the angle of view varies according to the imager size. I assume that is what is meant by the 60mm reference.
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This helps me, but just to clarify - earlier today I was reading an article on the movie Road to Perdition. The article mentioned that Conrad Hall used "Panavision Platinums and Primo lenses ranging from 27mm to 150mm." So, I'm there and I'm looking through Conrad Hall's Super 35, and its the 27mm lens. What I'm seeing (the angle of view) is pretty much exactly what I'd see if I had a 54mm lens on my 5D. Is that right???

If so, then that really blows my mind. I mean, here we are crying out for 11mm. Conrad Hall got along just fine with 27mm.
 
Exactly. Look at cinema lenses to see what's used. The AF100's field of view is very nearly the same as the cinema frame.

There are fast & wide cinema lenses; they just cost a lot. You can rent them if necessary.
 
On There Will Be Blood Robert Elswit used nothing but 40mm, 50mm, 75mm and 100mm lenses.

My world has been turned upside down.
 
Might be another amateur question...

I've heard things on here that if you're using a PL mount adapter on the AF100 with PL lenses there is no crop factor?

Someone correct me... I'll take a punishment of watching "Glitter" if the question makes no sense.
 
That's because people who use PL mount lenses are coming from a film background and are familiar with what the FOV will look like on a M4/3 sensor, which is close to the size of 35mm film frame. Not to be confused with full frame 35mm still photography FOV.

BowiesInSpace said:
Might be another amateur question...

I've heard things on here that if you're using a PL mount adapter on the AF100 with PL lenses there is no crop factor?

Someone correct me... I'll take a punishment of watching "Glitter" if the question makes no sense.
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BowiesInSpace said:
Might be another amateur question...

I've heard things on here that if you're using a PL mount adapter on the AF100 with PL lenses there is no crop factor?

Someone correct me... I'll take a punishment of watching "Glitter" if the question makes no sense.
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It has nothing to do with the PL mount. It's about mind-shifting :-)
 
Steve Kahn said:
Sorry guys. I feel really stupid about my not understanding. But Bloom is right. For indoors one needs wide and would like fast as well. I'm a bit disheartened that such a beast doesn't walk the earth...
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I believe the Tokina 11-16mm should do ya. It's 2.8 throughout it's range. It's designed for APS-C Canon cameras. Once Birger makes their adapter, it should interface electronically just beautifully with the AF100, and FOV should be quite wide enough for nearly any application.
 
nikon g + tokina 11-16 is wide enough.

some people are just too spoiled by 5d mk II. bottomline, if there ever is a video camera with FF, it will be mighty expensive
 
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