Final Cut Studio Update Scaled Back and Delayed

g3nov3s3 said:
What's the deal with these countless version of programs????I've used MS Office '98 for years and I was very pleased with it- I didn't need any other version until recently when I upgraded to a new Windows version - I was horrified when I saw how much disk space the new version required and how slow it ran.
The newer the software is the higher the system requirements are and more useless features are included!
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Comparing an office suite for WP to a full featured multimedia suite is stupid.
 
Elton said:
Ditto. Hello CS5 for me too
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I am in the middle of 2 projects, so this is not even an option. Plus I don't want to learn new programs. However the suborn insistence of Steve Jobs and his vision of video delivery (insistence how disc technology is not the future) is getting on my nerves.
 
g3nov3s3 said:
What's the deal with these countless version of programs????I've used MS Office '98 for years and I was very pleased with it- I didn't need any other version until recently when I upgraded to a new Windows version - I was horrified when I saw how much disk space the new version required and how slow it ran.
The newer the software is the higher the system requirements are and more useless features are included!
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I don't think Word Processing advances at the same rate as video technology. Final Cut Studio is woefully behind on things it HAS to have. Blu-Ray support, native AVCHD support, multicore support... those things are real world advances that need to be addressed.

If you're still just editing SD video from Mini DV tapes... then current and past implementations of FCP are probably fine for you. But if you want to keep up with emerging trends, Apple is leaving you out in the cold.

Sucks.
 
If I'm gonna switch from FCP, I would like to go to Avid (as opposed to Premiere), as I have actually used Avid before.

Does Media Composer come with anything equivalent to the other programs in the Final Cut Studio or CS5 collections?
 
philiplipetz said:
Let's see. CS5 gives you multithreaded heaven based on a few hundred dollar graphics card, and FCP will require multi-cored CPUs, which is cheaper? I need to speed up my post production and am looking seriously at CS5 as a way to get faster on more inexpensive hardware - total cost of operation will be less even with new software. Or AVID with that new UI that looks "so" good?
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Philip, if you are on a PC and want to speed up your post I would take a look at Edius. Moving to Edius 5 years ago was the best move I have made with regards to turnaround.

The software is geared toward news stations and broadcasters so it is rock solid, image quality is first priority and the realtime performance, never render anything workflow is how editing should be.

Not a salesman, just wanted to share!
 
When Final Cut moves past these limitations, that WILL be an awesome upgrade!
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Based on your avatar I don't know if you would be an impartial observer. I do hope your right. I am Avid editor and FCP was the best thing that ever happened to Avid. Competition has been great for the industry. We need the three A's fighting it out so we can all see continued improvements in our NLE's of choice.
 
I'm not ready to jump to Premier yet, but I can understand if some are.

IMO all Apple really needs to do is have a robust 7.5 upgrade that plays nice with a lot of new codecs, and has full 64bit support, and mostly what's in that QT link the Reverend posted. Why the interface has to be overhauled I do not know? The program looks pretty similar to what it did in version 3.0, and works fine for me.
 
jason.adams said:
Based on your avatar I don't know if you would be an impartial observer. I do hope your right. I am Avid editor and FCP was the best thing that ever happened to Avid. Competition has been great for the industry. We need the three A's fighting it out so we can all see continued improvements in our NLE's of choice.
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I'm more impartial than you'd think ;) I do like my Mac and Apple software, but Adobe makes good products too, and I'd be for CS5 and Avid if I could afford em.

FCP is great software but is inherently limited to the QuickTime architecture that it must conform to. Why is there "log and transfer"? Because the files HAVE to be wrapped in a mov with specific metadata to function in QuickTime. Why isn't AVCHD native? Because QuickTime needs sources that don't have reference frames to be able to edit properly. Why can't FCP playback while editing? Again QuickTime architecture.

I'll be the first to admit to FCP's limitations. But that is also why I believe a new update will be drastic improvement. Because the entire core of FCP changes with the new QuickTime X architecture. With that change all those imposed limitations can go away and make FCP as robust as it could & should be.

As to the GUI delays, the FCP STUDIO is indeed in need of an overhaul. I mean from FCP, to Motion, to Color, to Soundtrack Pro, to Compressor... These programs do "work" together to a degree, but they all look terribly different, inherently interact differently, and are not tightly integrated like they should be. If you edit in FCP timeline and switch to Soundtrack Pro, all the drag and drop and selection stuff is completely different and frustrating because you must learn a new interface and structure while in the same suite. The studio needs cohesiveness.
 
mcgeedigital said:
Hi CS5.
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Cuts H.264 like butter (if you have a quad). Me T2i plays with no rendering time and generally speaking plays nice with evertthing else I cram down its throat.

No hate here, but Premiere is a very good program and it seems to get updates on a regular basis.

Came from Avid/Media 100 and I've grown to really love it. Not a sexy choice I guess, but a very usable choice.
 
If you use Final Cut, have frustrations with it or QuickTime in general...

READ THIS LINK!!!!
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/6

I can't say enough about how useful that info is. It made all my "why" questions go away, and it also gave me a mind for what is coming for FCP and QuickTime. It's gonna be great, just no promises on when it gets here.

I wrote a huge post and lost it with an iPhone power down :/ But to sum it up, I feel FCP's integration and delivery to the widely used and highly compatible QuickTime format is still valuable, more valuable to me than capability. And ProRes is the icing on the cake.

CS5 is awesome and if you switch, it's probably because you don't get as much value from QT delivery/compatibility. And if that's the case enjoy your Premiere!

But FCP is still a good and highly capable edit suite... Just not currently as capable as others. But it will be stellar and at or near the top soon. So hang on and wait for it, or jump and enjoy. Beeching about FCP or bragging up your CS5 is pointless.
 
TheReverend said:
CS5 is awesome and if you switch, it's probably because you don't get as much value from QT delivery/compatibility. And if that's the case enjoy your Premiere!
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What value? I can deliver in QuickTime from Premiere all day long with no problems.

Really, the only thing FCP has is ProRes, and it's a shame that you have to purchase Cineform to get that on the PC platform with Premiere (though it's only $129 for NeoScene).
 
subtleinspiration said:
What value? I can deliver in QuickTime from Premiere all day long with no problems.

Really, the only thing FCP has is ProRes, and it's a shame that you have to purchase Cineform to get that on the PC platform with Premiere (though it's only $129 for NeoScene).
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I'm not saying you can't make QuickTime compatibilty from any other software. I'm saying that ANYTHING FCP makes IS playable on QT. That IS valuable in my environment where I'm working with multiple computers with users that don't necessarily know about formats. And multiple editors in training that dont know ins and outs of exporting. Because we use FCP, we can render to anything and all I have to do is say to a user, "install iTunes" and bam... Done. That is valuable.
 
subtleinspiration said:
You can do that on a PC too.
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"can" being the key word here. With FCP and any Mac, it's DONE. There's a big difference between the two.

And please, let's not debate the pros and cons of PCs versus Macs here in this thread. We all know PCs are great because of the heaps of software and generally infinite customizability (open) which leads to amazing capability. But Macs are also great because they having amazing compatability because of limited hardware options (closed), user friendly system environment and program set inside of OSX.

Both are useful and have their place. FCP works fantastically for those in a Mac workplace.
 
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