FIFA World Cup 2022

[ade4all]

I really enjoyed the Portugal Morocco game with 2 very different styles of play. I think Portugal panicked a bit last 20 minutes and played into Morocco's hands, they weren't calm and played to Morocco's strengths
Sorry but blaiming the referee because he is Argentinian is just sour grapes. I watched the game and thought the ref was fair and did well.
As for conspiracy with penalties sorry not in my opinion - Bruno Fernandes should have been booked for a blatant dive (not the first time I've seen him do this), don't recall any other penalty incident in the game? And Ronaldo 'won' a very dubious penalty in your first game by instigating minor contact with a defenders legs and then throwing himself to the ground. Neither deserved a penalty.
This idea of players throwing themselves to the ground as soon as they feel the slightest touch from an opponent in the penalty area is becoming a tedious by product of VAR. Football is a contact sport, players going over too easily and then getting rewarded with penalties as VAR analyses everything in slow motion is concerning and ruining the game.

 

[DLD]

Sorry but blaiming the referee because he is Argentinian is just sour grapes...

It's a cultural thing. The Soviets always blamed the refs, for example. Of course, refs are human and can make mistakes - hooray for VAR, something that has been used in American sports leagues for quite some time : in baseball since 2008, in the NBA since 2002, in the NFL since 1986 - but, unless an error was blatantly obvious, most coaches will just file a complaint with the league HQ and move on without turning it into a public issue. Leagues management will then review the game video and address the pertinent plays.

And storming the ref is a rare event, with severe punishment for those violating the rules.

PS. In the US leagues, one generally can't touch a ref period because that would be an instant disqualification/ejection.

 

[Emanuel]

To blame the referees is obviously a petty argument. We need to be ready to beat them too! : D In life, in any game, this is part of the equation on every single battle, everywhere. Reason why it is everything else to count. And find those is an excuse to keep going to fail, no more no less. Unforgivable to my book.

This doesn't mean the Caesar's wife must not be above suspicion, though.

To ignore the behind the scenes is a bit like to watch a Hollywood movie with an Academy Award and think that's cinema at best... LOL : )

It's a cultural thing. The Soviets always blamed the refs, for example.

This is beyond to be a cultural thing, touches the human nature as a whole ; )




https://www.lemonde.fr/football/art...upe-du-monde-de-football_6145708_1616938.html

(in English)
https://rundownbulletin.com/sports/81676.html

 

[Emanuel]

I watched the game and thought the ref was fair and did well.
As for conspiracy with penalties sorry not in my opinion - Bruno Fernandes should have been booked for a blatant dive (not the first time I've seen him do this), don't recall any other penalty incident in the game?

There were also two other situations involving one of them Otávio and another one with Pepe (different of the other one with Bruno Fernandes) well identified by that Brazilian press' article above-posted:

https://ge.globo.com/futebol/copa-d...ugal-em-lance-de-otavio-contra-marrocos.ghtml

Not available in English unless via electronic translator, I'm sorry, videos also seem restricted to any viewer outside Brazil, requires VPN to watch it.

 

[Emanuel]

Yet back to the most solid reason to blame IMO... Why that 6-1 score against Switzerland? Because we had lost 1-2 against South Korea.

I wouldn't surprise myself if for any chance we would be able to replace Morocco against France, let's imagine it, this same team and coach might overcome the French as much as happened against Switzerland.

This is the whole problem with the national team of my country. Something we must address if we want to be rewarded at our best worldclass level.

 

[ade4all]

There were also two other situations involving one of them Otávio and another one with Pepe (different of the other one with Bruno Fernandes) well identified by that Brazilian press' article above-posted:

https://ge.globo.com/futebol/copa-d...ugal-em-lance-de-otavio-contra-marrocos.ghtml

Not available in English unless via electronic translator, I'm sorry, videos also seem restricted to any viewer outside Brazil, requires VPN to watch it.

No sorry neither of those are penalties either in my opinion - same problem again of big strong men falling over at the slightest touch, they should be embarrassed with themselves. If you give that there would be 20 penalties every game. Football is supposed to be a contact sport. In my eyes this is unsportsmanlike, blatant cheating and should be a yellow card offence. They seem to have stopped giving yellow cards for diving at least at this World Cup. I think it tarnishes the game and the only way to stop it is to give a yellow card.
As DLD mentioned the same problem with player behaviour towards the referee. They constantly surround them complaining over every decision. In rugby they penalise anyone who talks back to the referee by moving the offence 10 metres further up the pitch. Something similar should happen in football

 

[DLD]

This is beyond to be a cultural thing, touches the human nature as a whole ; )

It's also a loser's mentality. Or, to quote Curly Howard :

 

[Emanuel]

No sorry neither of those are penalties either in my opinion - same problem again of big strong men falling over at the slightest touch, they should be embarrassed with themselves. If you give that there would be 20 penalties every game. Football is supposed to be a contact sport. In my eyes this is unsportsmanlike, blatant cheating and should be a yellow card offence. They seem to have stopped giving yellow cards for diving at least at this World Cup. I think it tarnishes the game and the only way to stop it is to give a yellow card.
As DLD mentioned the same problem with player behaviour towards the referee. They constantly surround them complaining over every decision. In rugby they penalise anyone who talks back to the referee by moving the offence 10 metres further up the pitch. Something similar should happen in football

On "complaining over every decision" "towards the referee", yes, it is fully annoying, I concur, agree with you. I don't see anything bad to have several penalties during a match though.

What bothers me is the existence of defense teams like mushrooms today (the case of actual Morocco is only one more) waiting for penalties or some mistake (!) to win the game.

There should be alternative ways to decide who is the winner other than penalties after the end of extra-time.

As much as offside.

IIRC Sven-Göran Eriksson had to struggle to understand its usefulness.

A high offside line would open the game and spaces to play. Make it less hideous in behalf of creative players instead. The annulled goal of Cristiano Ronaldo against Switzerland for example would never be offside without this rule in the current stupid form. Would be 7-1 more shocking...? ; ) Let the players and audience enjoy the show!

The substitutions should be unlimited and the coach entitled to replace them how many times the strategy could fit. With the same player included, as happens along other sports.

This would benefit the quality of the game! Not make it Rugby or American Football! No. Definitely, no.

If this means to not be popular overseas, that is, in the United States or Canada, nobody needs that : )

Take a look on Argentina against Netherlands. I was with the European team, if not for some other reason, because the South Americans didn't want to let the Dutch players to play their Football/Soccer. Foul after foul.

Like Moroccans did BTW.

I'm sorry but this is not this sport. The argument this sport is manly, not for Ladies, just doesn't buy my conviction at all.

It's not meant to be played in a wrestling ring! It's rather for inspiration! True artists... What about that? ; )

Take a look on Brazilian Football/Soccer for Christ's sake! We in Portugal are used to follow the beauty of this sport. I understand the whole world is used to praise the quality of a Cristiano Ronaldo while we also have all celebrated some other players such as Paulo Futre or Ricardo Quaresma, only to mention a couple of them now.

Artists deserve a stage. And fair rules ; )

Grabbing your opponent's shirt and block the move is OK ?! No need to answer, it is not. That's not this sport.

 

[Emanuel]

It's also a loser's mentality. Or, to quote Curly Howard :

LOL

Exactly as said in the previous page:

"A football/soccer match has 90 minutes to play, waiting for circumstances is not prone to lead anyone to win, we have to make them happen."

 

[ade4all]

The problem with giving penalties for any contact at all is you get everyone throwing themselves on the ground constantly, much easier than trying to score a proper goal. It would cheapen the real art of goal scoring and encourage even more play acting/cheating.
I'm with you on the offside and unlimited substitutes. Not sure there is a better alternative to penalties, they certainly make it exciting - I remember losing a 5 a side cup final when I was 10 years old because they counted corners as half a goal. A horrible way to lose
To be fair to Morrocco they created better chances in the game than Portugal and should have scored a couple more goals because they didn't just defend they counter attacked really well. Seem to remember Portugal winning the Euros in a very similar way...
I wasn't saying the game should be manly, I love watching womens football, they don't spend half the game rolling around on the floor crying out in 'pain' like the men do.

 

[DLD]

"A football/soccer match has 90 minutes to play, waiting for circumstances is not prone to lead anyone to win, we have to make them happen."

There's an old saying, you can't win a match on the first minute but you can lose it. Which is why 2-3-5 hasn't been used since the 1930's.

 

[Emanuel]

The problem with giving penalties for any contact at all is you get everyone throwing themselves on the ground constantly, much easier than trying to score a proper goal. It would cheapen the real art of goal scoring and encourage even more play acting/cheating.
I'm with you on the offside and unlimited substitutes. Not sure there is a better alternative to penalties, they certainly make it exciting - I remember losing a 5 a side cup final when I was 10 years old because they counted corners as half a goal. A horrible way to lose
To be fair to Morrocco they created better chances in the game than Portugal and should have scored a couple more goals because they didn't just defend they counter attacked really well. Seem to remember Portugal winning the Euros in a very similar way...
I wasn't saying the game should be manly, I love watching womens football, they don't spend half the game rolling around on the floor crying out in 'pain' like the men do.

Portugal won the Euro Cup 2016 final in the Stade of France in Paris against the French national team with a spectacular goal:

No mistake of anyone ; )

But yes, the pragmatism of Fernando Santos because of this crappy 'modern' Football/Soccer led the whole team to abandon the beauty of our game just to win the Euro Cup. Because when we play nice we are used to watch the others to win. This is why this sport has to only change for better, no less.

Morocco is a very well organised team based on their merit for fast counter-attacks on clever transitions. But they are the same who don't play with ball, exactly because of those aspects killing the game.

To reward the foul play is not fair play.

Nor wasting useful time. The clock should simultaneously stop as happens with many sports BTW.

To submit the strength of the technique under the physical realm as higher rank instead, it's not this sport either.

I don't see how to count corners as half goal is worse than the lottery of penalties TBH, I'd rather have it by choice. Or the direct free kick then, possible to find on Roller Hockey/Rink Hockey/Quad Hockey.

Last but not least, we should not have watched the same match... : ) because the only superiority of Morocco I saw was in their anti-football. The numbers also tell the story, stats help to show something to those who didn't watch it:

https://www.eurosport.com/football/w...ve-stats.shtml

 

[Emanuel]

There's an old saying, you can't win a match on the first minute but you can lose it. Which is why 2-3-5 hasn't been used since the 1930's.

Great quote, my friend, the trouble is these guys have taken such premise too far and been killing this sport. Pure PITA.

If the rules don't change, the creative game will be quick wiped off the face of the earth, unfortunately.

This show is not the same as before.

 

[Caesar]

To be fair to Morrocco they created better chances in the game than Portugal and should have scored a couple more goals because they didn't just defend they counter attacked really well. Seem to remember Portugal winning the Euros in a very similar way...

Portugal is a far more superior team. Portugal team constructed greater chances in this match. Not Morocco.

 

[Emanuel]

"We can't lose time... We need to attack strong".

Lloris today on semi-final of tomorrow against Morocco and he is goalkeeper, so... ;- )

 

[DLD]

Saudi Arabia, "Hey, don't we deserve to be in the finals?"

 

[Emanuel]

Saudi Arabia, "Hey, don't we deserve to be in the finals?"

LOL

I guess like the Portuguese against the Moroccans... if Argentina would play now 50 times against over again, the Argentines would be able to win the game! ; ) And they wouldn't have had the need to call their referees team a second time to the other quarter-final! : D

I nominate Lloris for next Portugal national team coach! ;- )

 

[Emanuel]

Less than 5 minutes and France is already winning the game and after a quarter of the first half, goalpost by Giroud...

When tied, goalposts and crossbar reached by the ball should count as points BTW ; ) 1 and 2 respectively, this game has to change for better!

There should have no place for teams who love to play without ball! : X

 

[ade4all]

I think you need to get over Morocco beating Portugal and give them a bit more respect. Makes you sound like a bad loser. And as I said before your beloved Portugal won the Euros mainly playing without the ball. Good to have teams with different styles. Morocco gave it a real go against France, give them some credit they played with heart.

 

[Emanuel]

I think you need to get over Morocco beating Portugal and give them a bit more respect. Makes you sound like a bad loser. And as I said before your beloved Portugal won the Euros mainly playing without the ball. Good to have teams with different styles. Morocco gave it a real go against France, give them some credit they played with heart.

Are you talking to me? Because if so, you didn't quote me, I cannot guess and looks like I am not alone here ; ) If actually addressed to me, really? Makes me sound, you say, to you. And made you sound wrong not only to a single reader.

Have you read me to praise anyone to play without ball?! My 'beloved Portugal' included? Or criticizing the Portugal game instead? *sigh* When due.

Even today with the good example of France, not necessarily a loved one in this case. As much as I did it with you before! Well, with stats, let's not forget : P I think you sound a bit outdated! LOL : ) The only bad loser I am seeing here is not me... : D Take a look on your hostility against some point to not match yours, it's all about that. No idea where you're coming from, what beef you have, something I know from my side though. No bias against anyone, I even mentioned the strength of Morocco (no need to repeat myself, it's written above) as much as their anti-football. Tonight, they had to play WITH ball if this is what you call to play with heart. For first time in six matches they've decided to take such initiative. The numbers tell the story, not exactly territory of opinion. Because the French did what Portuguese did not... Now my call. Have you read everything I wrote earlier or only what could serve your goal towards here?

Seems that from me to you, no more than stats you earn once again -- you can always compare with the other five matches of your beloved Morocco too if needed there: https://www.eurosport.com/football/world-cup/2022/live-france-morocco_mtc1287452/live-stats.shtml