Michelle Farrell
Member
I wonder why Sony went with a smaller sensor for the F5 and F55? I was hoping for a little larger sensor.
F55: Feature Tour Of The F55
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Yep. This plus the mechanical shutter are basically enough already to set it apart and change the look it will produce. So since camera price is a non issue with higher budgets, can't see why Hollywood would use a F55 over a F65, unless they need a shot in a tight space. But then there are several other smaller options than a F55.
Probably cost or possibly marketing placement, or maybe both. Why does Scarlet have lesser specs than Epic?
All RED cameras are currently built in the USA. Components and all.... One of the reasons i went that route. 'Murica
Not true. We don't and can't build all those high-tech internal parts. They come from the same region on earth that Sony comes from.
Loved that other post of yours, by the way. Odd how you couldn't have possibly tested a pre-prod camera but already the red Fan-isms come flying out. So you need to be even "sharper" now?
If only our buggy, heavy, poorly supported, power hungry, US made camera could learn from Sony. I do agree though, Sony could learn a few things from them as well, just not as much. Funny how every single red fan/owner I meet or work with are always waiting on that next update.
eddavid
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Hell yea Sweeney! And sadly, now I own two Red Ones. At least I am aware there will be no updates for them.
Fan boys of any camera are quite ridiculous, and I say that as a Red and Sony fan boy and Kodak fan boy. I will say though, that these arguments are a lot of fun. The heat is on, we all have thousands of dollars of money invested - emotions will rage. Feelings will get hurt.
It's all part of the fun.
Fan boys of any camera are quite ridiculous, and I say that as a Red and Sony fan boy and Kodak fan boy. I will say though, that these arguments are a lot of fun. The heat is on, we all have thousands of dollars of money invested - emotions will rage. Feelings will get hurt.
It's all part of the fun.
Its about preference dude. If i could get an F65 id be on that like white on rice. If a 4K alexa is awesome, good bye Epic. Dont make assumptions.
Mitch Gross
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I believe the term you're searching for is Industrial. Definitely a step beyond Prosumer.
Oh, so one can have no opinions or he is a troll? Sorry if I have offended the sensitivity of you financial investment.
I just don't care for the RED look. I clearly stated it as MY OPINION (in capitals now just in case you missed it the first time). I didn't state it as fact. Are you saying I'm not entitled to my opinion and yours is all that matters?
And how am I being smacked around? Every single point I raised is valid. Is the use of low-end cameras the standard in Hollywood?
Listen, I'm also a low-end camera user. Just because of it it means I need to be delusional and protective of my gear as if it was my wife?
Lighten up. Be realistic.
Kolor-Pikker
Well-known member
If you didn't understand what I wrote, don't bother replying; I wasn't implying Pana was economic, the exact opposite in fact, learn how to detect sarcasm.
If you still need me to spell it out, when DSLRs came out with large sensors at $3000 prices, s35 digital cinema cameras were going for 6-digit prices. I was drawing a comparison that when the Pana comes out, at it's obviously stratospherical price, medium format DSLRs are going to seem like an "economic" alternative when they start getting video recording functionality too. The first MFDBs with usable Live View (albeit at 5fps) are already out there, it's only a matter of time now.
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Is this term still in use? Industrial/Professional/Broadcast.
Like in the old days of SD where normally 1/2" cameras were considered professional or industrial while 2/3" was mostly considered broadcast quality.
Well, this was not what I understood by your post. Maybe because the language was pretty broken down. But I digress nonetheless. Sorry if misunderstood you.
Yep, if Panavision takes too long this will indeed most likely happen.
But these are just rumors anyway. Many think Panavision would never release a camera in a format that would pretty much kill all their existing lenses, and that the new camera will most likely be S35mm.
Nate Weaver
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Interesting. I forgot that term for cameras because the marketing stopped using it. But that's pretty much where most of the new-wave lies.
Something else though, the business changed. The budgets in pretty much every segment except the top, top end have dropped, but there's a bigger production market than ever. There's much more demand for video/film/whatever content. It created a new, sizable middle class of production. A bigger budget class as well.
Maybe we should come up with a replacement term for "industrial" or "prosumer", and get it to a blogographer, and make sure a licensing/royalty system is in place before NAB ?
Michelle Farrell
Member
I actually like the look of the Red. ALSO CONCRATS to Mitch/AbelCine who rented the Red One to those who shot "Winter's Bone" which is one of my favorite movies. And right now in the independent world everyone keeps asking for RED RED RED. But I am waiting to see if the F5, F55 can deliver a more filmic look than so far have shown. Someone on here did mention that through a process some of the past footage(raw) can be made out to look as nice as the F65/Arri Alexa but more will be revealed. So I guess I am going to drag my feet on this and wait. I am actually hoping that the F5 can be made to create this more cinematic look as the F55 would completely financially wipe me out and then some. And I also worry that some client may ask it I have the F55(top camera - excluding F65(not in price range)) and not want the lower end Sony F5 camera. As for Epic, it is their "top dog".
This whole camera issue has given me more stress than I care to have. So I sit here listening to what YOU professionals have to say day by day.
Thank you dvxuser people for schooling me on many things. I have learned much. THANK YOU
This whole camera issue has given me more stress than I care to have. So I sit here listening to what YOU professionals have to say day by day.
Thank you dvxuser people for schooling me on many things. I have learned much. THANK YOU
GaryinCalifornia
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I look at the person's reel first, rather than what camera... I don't know if he's on here anymore... but Stephen Johnson... didn't matter what camera... his stuff always looked great...
CinemaElectronika
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Michelle, you are not alone! Welcome to the club...
And yes ... DVXUser.com and its people are a blessing to most of us.
Thank you all!
And yes ... DVXUser.com and its people are a blessing to most of us.
Thank you all!
Interesting. I forgot that term for cameras because the marketing stopped using it. But that's pretty much where most of the new-wave lies.
Something else though, the business changed. The budgets in pretty much every segment except the top, top end have dropped, but there's a bigger production market than ever. There's much more demand for video/film/whatever content. It created a new, sizable middle class of production. A bigger budget class as well.
Maybe we should come up with a replacement term for "industrial" or "prosumer", and get it to a blogographer, and make sure a licensing/royalty system is in place before NAB ?
Yes, I also thought they were outdated terms till Mitch brought it up. The market has indeed changed and the lines have blurred.
But I'm not sure if there's a need to come up with new terms. The old convention would still mostly work. You just need to replace the top end with something else besides Broadcast. Everything is "broadcastable" these days. But prosumer, professional/industrial could still apply. Maybe just call the top end "high-end" or "high-budget". Can't call it cinema as there are many high-end TV-series too.
To me, strictly from a large sensor camera point of view, it would go like this:
Prosumer: AF100, FS100, FS700, F3, F5, C100, C300, BMC etc. Pretty much anything under $20-15K, 1080p only or not fully developed in terms of professional features. But you would have lower end prosumer and higher end prosumer. You could also argue that the F5 should be in the above bracket. It gets complicated.
Professional or Industrial: C500, F55, SI2K, Scarlet, pretty much anything which is not ARRI, Panavision, Aaton or a F65.
The high-end: Alexa, F65, Penelope Delta, Genesis, F35, D21. Although the Genesis and F35 are only 1080p, their sensor is higher resolution and produces much more finer details than the low-end end 1080p stuff. They are truly high end cameras in their conception, use and intended market, even if on their way out.
This leaves out the Epic. While for it's use in blockbusters it would definitely be included in the high-end, it's price range and the majority of it's user base lies with the mid-tier professional segment.
I think this is why these terms fell out of fashion. Too many blurred lines.
Nate Weaver
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Most of that post was joking.
Except the blogographers part.
Except the blogographers part.
Prosumer cameras were cameras like the VX1000 which were some of the first high end consumer cameras that also got adopted by professionals. It was a consumer/professional cross over. Sony and others saw this developing market and when they released the VX2000 they also made a professional version - the PD150. There is absolutely nothing consumer about a Sony F5. It is a professional tool powerful enough that the limitations will almost certainly come from the operator.
Although I think there is no "prosumer" line in the sand, if there was, it would be well below the F5.
Chose the tool that does the job best within the budget. Sony knows this is how (most) professionals work and so aim to supply a variety of tools at a variety of budgets.
Although I think there is no "prosumer" line in the sand, if there was, it would be well below the F5.
Chose the tool that does the job best within the budget. Sony knows this is how (most) professionals work and so aim to supply a variety of tools at a variety of budgets.
Sure. This is why I said the F5 could also be in the middle. Honestly all these cameras are more than capable of professional work regardless. Which I think it's why the terms fell of use. If there needs to be a grouping, better would be low-end, mid-range and high-end. Problem with the word prosumer is that it implies the person working with it is not a professional, when this is of course not always the case.
But you are right. The F5 fits way better in the mid-range.