FCP X: not what I was expecting

I was trying to figure out if Apple is abandoning its pro users. Here's a dark scenario. Pro users give Apple two things: credibility and sales. As far as sales, it's not only the software itself, but the hardware - they are getting many people who would never go Apple, were it not for the pro apps. Well, I'm sad to say, I think that part is dead or dying for the simple reason that it's possible Apple no longer cares about high-end computer hardware. First they stop calling themselves Apple Computer. Then the money they get from computers becomes less and less compared to everything else. And even within the computer segment, they are making less and less from desktops. And even amongst desktops, the Mac Pro is a tiny portion. So it's entirely possible they'll give up on that part - already the Mac Pro seems somewhat overpriced and behind the times. I would not be shocked to hear - no more Mac Pro at some point. Steve Jobs already thinks the PC era is over - we're onto tablets and mobile. So why should he care about the pros - a tiny market - who are buying hardware he's deprecating and may very well eol? Looks to me like the R&D and support for the pro market is no longer justified from their point of view. That's why they are shifting to the prosumer market, and downstream, like editing on tablets and even iPhones, which is never going to be the high end pro. That leaves credibility - and what do they care for that, since they are abandoning the whole pro market - they don't need the public to hear "a movie was edited on Final Cut!" or whatever - that's not what their target audience cares about.

Anyhow, that's the dark scenario. Look, for anything that Apple has done in pro apps there are high-end competitors who blow the socks off of them (maybe except Logic): Avid, Resolve, Photoshop, AE and so on - again, I'm talking high-end. Apple was never at the very high end anyway. Now they are simply moving downstream even more. No more pro, period. Pro-sumer, at best - that's Apple.

That's the dark scenario. Don't know how accurate :)

im of the thought that apple "is" clearly pulling away from the pro market. they now have the mass general consumer market and i think thats were they are happy. iPad, iPhone is the future of apple IMO. Lion is going to be sooooo much like IOS that i expect to see the future of fully functional desktop operating system to be on the downside soon as well.

i think when apple was a small company, it helped to have some heavy weight aspects of your company to give power and crediblity to your image.

macs years ago were always synomous with the best machine for photoshop. when apple came out with FCP they undercut Avid as a viable and cheap option to still do an effective job with editing video. now they have the middle/mass consumer market and i dont think they feel the need to have the flashy claims that they used to have that made the choice of many pros using some of the top programs.

for me an apple user since my first computer and now currently an owner of 2-8cores, 2-27" iMacs, 1 intel laptop & an old G5 i am cringing that if apple does with their upcoming OS's what they have down with their pro app FCP the future is looking very shaky right now. Lion might be still passable but ill bet that the OS after that will be questionable and lacking features to even run other apps like Premiere or Avid.

if apple wants to go their mobile style of products then...ok. i wont like it but i can accept that its their choice and need to do what serves their vision and more importantly their stockholders. what really erks me though is them pawning this very NON pro FCP X off as a very PRO APP. do they think we are stupid? i think no but its more that...they just dont really give a sh$t. having been a very happy apple user since the mid 90's id have to say that this is a dark day. oh well. accept and move on.

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There are tons of people both (professionals and non) that don't like change. Apple could create a new program that litterally printed money and people would complain. What Apple does is take a problem or challenge, and see if they can find a new and better way to solve it. That means doing something different, and that means people will complain about it. I see people complaining that they're disappointed because they 'heard' or 'read' that it wasn't as good which, without specifics, is completely subjective. Far too much generalization going on. And if you bought it on day one expecting not a single hickup... you should know better. No software company in the world can guarantee that.
 
My favorite twitter review, pretty much says it all; "So far I'm very impressed. Final Cut Pro X is definitely much faster than iMovie!"
 
There are tons of people both (professionals and non) that don't like change. Apple could create a new program that litterally printed money and people would complain. What Apple does is take a problem or challenge, and see if they can find a new and better way to solve it. That means doing something different, and that means people will complain about it. I see people complaining that they're disappointed because they 'heard' or 'read' that it wasn't as good which, without specifics, is completely subjective. Far too much generalization going on. And if you bought it on day one expecting not a single hickup... you should know better. No software company in the world can guarantee that.

i think the criticism varies depending on where your coming from. if you think its vague that people are just generalizing then this should spell it out as to it blatant lack of pro use. for casual users that can almost use imovie then they should be happy.

here
http://podcasts.creativecow.net/fin...-we-cant-use-final-cut-pro-x-at-our-companies
 
There are tons of people both (professionals and non) that don't like change. Apple could create a new program that litterally printed money and people would complain. What Apple does is take a problem or challenge, and see if they can find a new and better way to solve it. That means doing something different, and that means people will complain about it. I see people complaining that they're disappointed because they 'heard' or 'read' that it wasn't as good which, without specifics, is completely subjective. Far too much generalization going on. And if you bought it on day one expecting not a single hickup... you should know better. No software company in the world can guarantee that.

You want a detailed review of why FCProX isn't for pro users?

Here you go:

http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/final-cut-pro-x-whats-missing-for-some-pros
 
Do you have any information that Apple intends to implement missing pro features in FCP X in upcoming updates from any of your sources or associates?

If so, which features and when?
 
I agree, some important pieces are missing and if you know specifically what those pieces are and how they negatively affect your work, that's completely valid. But getting disappointed with only a vauge idea of what you're disappointed about is premature and I don't know that eveyone has researched to find out what FCPX is missing and how that effects them.
 
What Apple does is take a problem or challenge, and see if they can find a new and better way to solve it. That means doing something different, and that means people will complain about it.
Can't agree on that statement. Apple waits (which is a wise business move) for others to test the waters...then jumps in at the right time with the best marketing possible to make it 'magical'. Mp3 players, tablets, cell phones, video editing, audio editing, cloud computing, etc. Apple was never the first to the party.

You should have seen all this coming...it was obvious back when Apple Computer changed their name to just Apple (2007). Business is business and it's all about the cash. If you want to be a success, you have to go where the masses are and in this case it's the YouTube/Twitter generation. Apple is all about entertainment now. FCPX is a great semi-pro editor and will do very well. People need to get over it...I did when Apple abandoned me & my Power PC G5.
 
I've spent the last 24 hours trying to figure out if I am a "Pro" or not. Am I a prosumer or maybe a semi-pro? I earn a comfortable living working shooting and editing video. I have not had a "regular job" in 5 years. All my regular jobs were editing, shooting, or compressionist. I have over 13,000 clips from my T2i with over 8,000 shutter actuations. I have shot video of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, and countless Hip-Hop, Pop, Rock and Movie Stars. I contribute to DVXUser all the time. I have always considered myself a "Pro" as in Professional, as in I get paid to do this.

All that being said in the long list of things Apple "forgot" only 2 have I ever used. Log and Capture and Multiclip. I have not done a tape capture in over a year and Multiclip has always been too behind the beat for me. It always required trimming after the fact. Unless I had 5 or more cameras I have been using the old method of cut away the bad shots then making sure I had the best shots. I have never used XML, AAF, OMF or EDL. I did do EDL's on paper when I learned Avid in 1997, because lab time in school was 4 hours at a time.

Even though I have not touched FCPX yet it seems like a huge leap forward in NLE's that were based on 80 year old film terms like Bins. Most of the old NLE programs had to include things so the old editors would use them. FCPX seems to me to be just what I was asking for in '97. I hope among hopes that Apple does not take a giant step back in order to get better reviews and make a couple thousand people happy. I believe that if the nay sayers went back and tried to cut with Final Cut Pro 1, not Studio 1 but the original, they would see the one they love now is just incremental improvements to a program with a UI and program that is 15 years old. Before HD, before Tapeless, before computer had the power to think beyond Bins, Rendering and Timelines. I mean it came out yesterday. It is a complete rewrite. I firmly believe we are in the middle a new revolution in Production. With DLSR's and powerful new software to allow anyone with vision to create compelling content.

My 2 cents.
 
Apple waits (which is a wise business move) for others to test the waters...then jumps in at the right time with the best marketing possible to make it 'magical'. Mp3 players, tablets, cell phones, video editing, audio editing, cloud computing, etc. Apple was never the first to the party.
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Nobody is discussing weather apple is first to the table or not, but weather or not they've released a pro product. And finding a new solutions to old problems is absolutely what apple does.
 
I've spent the last 24 hours trying to figure out if I am a "Pro" or not. Am I a prosumer or maybe a semi-pro? I earn a comfortable living working shooting and editing video. I have not had a "regular job" in 5 years. All my regular jobs were editing, shooting, or compressionist. I have over 13,000 clips from my T2i with over 8,000 shutter actuations. I have shot video of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, and countless Hip-Hop, Pop, Rock and Movie Stars. I contribute to DVXUser all the time. I have always considered myself a "Pro" as in Professional, as in I get paid to do this.

All that being said in the long list of things Apple "forgot" only 2 have I ever used. Log and Capture and Multiclip. I have not done a tape capture in over a year and Multiclip has always been too behind the beat for me. It always required trimming after the fact. Unless I had 5 or more cameras I have been using the old method of cut away the bad shots then making sure I had the best shots. I have never used XML, AAF, OMF or EDL. I did do EDL's on paper when I learned Avid in 1997, because lab time in school was 4 hours at a time.

Even though I have not touched FCPX yet it seems like a huge leap forward in NLE's that were based on 80 year old film terms like Bins. Most of the old NLE programs had to include things so the old editors would use them. FCPX seems to me to be just what I was asking for in '97. I hope among hopes that Apple does not take a giant step back in order to get better reviews and make a couple thousand people happy. I believe that if the nay sayers went back and tried to cut with Final Cut Pro 1, not Studio 1 but the original, they would see the one they love now is just incremental improvements to a program with a UI and program that is 15 years old. Before HD, before Tapeless, before computer had the power to think beyond Bins, Rendering and Timelines. I mean it came out yesterday. It is a complete rewrite. I firmly believe we are in the middle a new revolution in Production. With DLSR's and powerful new software to allow anyone with vision to create compelling content.

My 2 cents.

This is what I'm looking at too. We shoot multicam, and I've never even used FCPs multi cam...

But we are moving in a direction that requires sharing data among many computers/users. And I gotta make sure this functionality is there. As well as other stuff (export/import options).
 
As an interested party planning to make serious films for the first time in a long life, FCPX seems like a strong product. I recently downloaded trial versions of Adobe Premiere and Sony Vegas. I'm a sharp guy on software, so I was able to dope things out, but these applications require a strong underlying discipline that must be acquired. If FCPX will allow me to come up to speed faster and make the task easier with the new technology of today, I'm for it. I do think that it's a shame that Apple has no touch-screen product such as the Sony VAIO L series, which would make a lot of operations in any NLE a lot easier. One of the things I really dislike about all graphic applications is the crude mouse-driven interface, even enhanced with a drawing tablet or proprietary appliance. We have touch-screen phones and IPads, why not Mac's? I do understand the frustration of broadcast professionals. Apple has decided (probably correctly) that FCPX fits the need of professionals like kgimedia and new users like me, and that there are a lot more of those than entrenched corporate professionals.
 
Big risk releasing a non-backward compatible product. iMovie lost features when they upgraded too, but they also kept the old one around during that period. Since this is a ground up re-write hopefully it's the foundation for what will become a much better product down the line. And if Apple cares about their pro video editing user base (and I think they have to) they'll do just that.
 
It's not so much the BIG features like XML, MultiCam, Tape support, and even 3rd party hardware support - mostly stuff I've never used.

There seems to be a lot of glaring omissions and problems, from simple things like keyframe woes, to lack of control over effect sliders ("amount" 0%-100% instead of proper parameter controls), lack of proper media management (while I appreciate auto-mated autosave, not always - you cannot "save project as"), I lost a media connection to a folder of source files that have already been edited in the timeline and been analyzed and I for the life of me cannot find a way to reconnect media after scouring the menus, manual, and google; the color correcting controls are actually pretty limited and many filters that have been taken for granted before are gone (cannot CC by color channel, can't adjust gamma, even brightness/contrast sliders and curves are missing), can't speed ramp titles or generators, the audio tools are weak (sure they have background noise removal but it's useless, I don't have the tools that Soundtrack Pro had i.e. preserve bass/treble sliders, "noise only" monitor, no waveform editor, etc. and you can't roundtrip between them anymore (they could have at least left that in!), program is 1.0 stable which means i've had a number of crashes and actually sluggish performance on random interface usage even though I have a 12-core MacPro/16GB Ram/512gb SSD/Radeon 5870)... Tons of little oversights, for example you can't feather edges when you crop anymore, so the edges always look rough; there is a crop/feather filter effect but it has very little control, just a "width" and "height" slider so you can't choose which side to crop/trim more... I could go on and on, and this is only within 24 hours of use.

I have ZERO problems with many changes Apple made and learning a new paradigm... that's not the problem. The problem is that this is a consumer+ app. There are pro-ish features, but it does not have the level of detail oriented control one needs and expects from a pro-app and there is just NO way this could replace FCP7 in any kind of broadcast or hollywood house... I don't think it's gonna cut it for me for my weddings/sports highlights or corporate work. I am volunteering to make youth camp videos for a week at youth camp, funny stuff and videos of the day. I will really test drive it then to be sure... but I am very sad that this program has so many good things that I simply won't make use of due to the fact that key interface changes and features have gonna MIA :/ At this point, I would have been thrilled just to see FCP7 have full multi-core/GPU/64-bit/background rendering support built in with no other changes. I could live with that.
 
I've spent the last 24 hours trying to figure out if I am a "Pro" or not. Am I a prosumer or maybe a semi-pro? I earn a comfortable living working shooting and editing video. I have not had a "regular job" in 5 years. All my regular jobs were editing, shooting, or compressionist. I have over 13,000 clips from my T2i with over 8,000 shutter actuations. I have shot video of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, and countless Hip-Hop, Pop, Rock and Movie Stars. I contribute to DVXUser all the time. I have always considered myself a "Pro" as in Professional, as in I get paid to do this.

All that being said in the long list of things Apple "forgot" only 2 have I ever used. Log and Capture and Multiclip. I have not done a tape capture in over a year and Multiclip has always been too behind the beat for me. It always required trimming after the fact. Unless I had 5 or more cameras I have been using the old method of cut away the bad shots then making sure I had the best shots. I have never used XML, AAF, OMF or EDL. I did do EDL's on paper when I learned Avid in 1997, because lab time in school was 4 hours at a time.

Even though I have not touched FCPX yet it seems like a huge leap forward in NLE's that were based on 80 year old film terms like Bins. Most of the old NLE programs had to include things so the old editors would use them. FCPX seems to me to be just what I was asking for in '97. I hope among hopes that Apple does not take a giant step back in order to get better reviews and make a couple thousand people happy. I believe that if the nay sayers went back and tried to cut with Final Cut Pro 1, not Studio 1 but the original, they would see the one they love now is just incremental improvements to a program with a UI and program that is 15 years old. Before HD, before Tapeless, before computer had the power to think beyond Bins, Rendering and Timelines. I mean it came out yesterday. It is a complete rewrite. I firmly believe we are in the middle a new revolution in Production. With DLSR's and powerful new software to allow anyone with vision to create compelling content.

My 2 cents.

You really should find a way to check out the software. My attitude went from open minded and excited to appalled and insulted the minute I bought and opened it. Forget the features that you don't use. This app is not pro. It's geared for consumers and people who want to dabble but not learn the nuts and bolts. I wouldn't even call this a prosumer app. Maybe a nice transition app from consumer to prosumer. This app is not a revolution. That's the BS that they spewed all over las vegas. This app is a fraud. There is no way you could use it in a high end workflow. Therefore, it should not share the same name with the app that was fully compatible and widely used in this capacity.

BTW, if you are making your living doing this, then you are a professional, as this is your profession. A prosumer to me is just above hobbyist. If you have a day job, then maybe you are a prosumer.
 
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