F35 Codex workflow / required software

yachacha said:
I don't think Aaveum is purposely being misleading, perhaps a little mysterious, but I think what he is saying is being misinterpreted:

"But my SR-R1 directly docks to the back or top, interfacing with the camera." - By interfacing I think he only means it is dry docked using the dock mechanism and pulling Dual-Link from dock SDI connectors.

I can start it from my grip, or you can just put the remote anywhere you want. - Grip meaning he has a Start/Stop grip connected to the SR-R1, not the Sony F35 button. His camera is not "connecting" to the F35 the way a SRW-1 does. He is simply pointing out that SR-R1 can use remote trigger. OR the SR-R1 REMOTE.

HE is not claiming his F35 triggers his SR-R1. He is not claiming his HDVF can see SR-R1 playback. His F35 interfaces with SR-R1 only at Dual Link SDI.

So I understand a need to get more explanation, but he is not going to have some magic circuit board which turns SR-R1 into SRW-1. He has come up with a clever way to connect SR-R1 to the F35 dock. You have all the parts to do this yourself already.

As to how he is getting the dual-link. I think he custom built plate holding the IF box parts and connecting directly to the SR-R1 backplate- I seem to remember something like this. Or he had the very rare PIM-SR IF Box which was designed specifically to connect SR-R1 to F35 in neat way. I saw one in the wild once as part of a package on eBay. I doubt this company would make any more and they have a very high price tag. But if you have codex box, you already have this basically.

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Yes I agree. It's misleading
Not enough info in his post. Wording can be misleading. A dry dock seems most probable, or a unicorn Wet Dock you will never find... ok maybe you will. I do not think the SR R1 can talk directly to the F35, search Viddovation... he did a lot of work on the SRR1...

At the end of the day, here is my question. We have a camera taking a 5K sensor and making it 1080 'in camera'. Does it really make that big of a difference whether the output is RGB or YCbCr after all that internal mojo conversion... isn't that where the beauty of the F35 lies?

I mean, it's like the camera is already manipulating the signal before it leaves... so is it really a 'true' RGB output. Can someone shoot a test with skin tones (daylight and interiors) in both codecs so that we can settle this endless pursuit of 444? Coz, I can't eat, sleep anymore... all I see is 444 everywhere. on my phone, on my bike, on my son's face... someone help me!!!

Yachacha, that wet dock unicorn up there is only capable of 50p 10bit 422... nothing else... Only the Codex M can extract everything. Maybe the Codex S which I am testing soon so we can all have a nice life. And no record trigger from camera or VF tally for sure... so what is the point. I can build a plate like the one in these pictures.... Who wants one? $500 a unit.

Codex M can be triggered from the camera. Codex S can be triggered from the camera. Both with the appropiate wetdock. Codex M records everything the F35 records. But gives you no playback. Codex S triggers but only 422 recording tested. SRW1 is your friend... If you want to shoot on tape and extract the most beautiful 880mbps uncompressed 444 10 bit. And it gives you playback. It's nice.....!!!!
 
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yachacha said:
I don't think Aaveum is purposely being misleading, perhaps a little mysterious, but I think what he is saying is being misinterpreted:

"But my SR-R1 directly docks to the back or top, interfacing with the camera." - By interfacing I think he only means it is dry docked using the dock mechanism and pulling Dual-Link from dock SDI connectors.

I can start it from my grip, or you can just put the remote anywhere you want. - Grip meaning he has a Start/Stop grip connected to the SR-R1, not the Sony F35 button. His camera is not "connecting" to the F35 the way a SRW-1 does. He is simply pointing out that SR-R1 can use remote trigger. OR the SR-R1 REMOTE.

HE is not claiming his F35 triggers his SR-R1. He is not claiming his HDVF can see SR-R1 playback. His F35 interfaces with SR-R1 only at Dual Link SDI.

So I understand a need to get more explanation, but he is not going to have some magic circuit board which turns SR-R1 into SRW-1. He has come up with a clever way to connect SR-R1 to the F35 dock. You have all the parts to do this yourself already.

As to how he is getting the dual-link. I think he custom built plate holding the IF box parts and connecting directly to the SR-R1 backplate- I seem to remember something like this. Or he had the very rare PIM-SR IF Box which was designed specifically to connect SR-R1 to F35 in neat way. I saw one in the wild once as part of a package on eBay. I doubt this company would make any more and they have a very high price tag. But if you have codex box, you already have this basically.

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I went through all his post trying to figure this out.

His connection can NOT be that simple still. He does claim he gets 444 10-bit 50p. Now this is virtually impossible with the IF box. It is still only 1.5g on all the SDI connections.

*Something* must be merging the Quad 1.5g SDI into a dual-link 3g SDI, and that is what I am curious about.

As for the rest, yeah, you are probably right. But also, we do not have much information on this. And until then we shouldn't rule out anything.

But as said before finding a solution to get 444 50p 10-bit outside the Codex-M that is the ticket!

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DO NOT GET NEAR CINEMARTIN... They are spanish and close to my heart... but who the hell wants a PC recorder... Crazy idea...
 
That's a good hypothesis, but I honestly, really doubt they ever did that. Who manufactured that wet dock? Let's call them and ask.
 
It says the SR-R1 supports 444 50p, which it does... but it doesn't say he actually is able to record in that format with his setup. I think that is the answer. Does the SR-R1 record 444 50p? Yes. Did he manage to do it? Don't think so.
 
rbirnbaum said:
It says the SR-R1 supports 444 50p, which it does... but it doesn't say he actually is able to record in that format with his setup. I think that is the answer. Does the SR-R1 record 444 50p? Yes. Did he manage to do it? Don't think so.
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I think yet again we are splitting hairs, and we can argue both ways here. I personally don't think he would even mention it, nor compare it to the Codex-M unless it could match its recording. However he doesn't state it specifically. Until he decides to log in again, this is conversation is at a standstill :undecided

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I don’t need to argue, I already know that he did NOT record 444 50p with SR-R1. I also know which way a pc fan spins so I leave you to your own conclusions.
 
I just spoke to the guy who developed that interface box in these pictures for an hour. His name is Ruben. He just confirmed, this wetdock he develped was specifically for the SR-R1 and it only had power, dual 15.G SDI and an emulator Board inside. So I can 100% guarantee he would not have used this wetdock for 50p 444 into the SR-R1. Essentially it is the same as the Codex Wetdock, but without a GPIO and Quad SDI. So more limited.

http://www.procinei.com/sr-r1.html

But in talking I will post a new thread with some interesting developments and a potential On Camera (EVF and On Camera) Tally Record & Trigger solution for the 7Q/Q+

This will bring the F35 into a completely new realm.

Gotta say... one thing I learnt today? Sony engineering is hack proof, complicated on purpose, and developed to avoid any interference from any source of external recording that has not been co-developed with them. At the risk of a huge lawsuit.

Which makes me think that unless Aavenum was an experienced engineer who knew the son of the owner of Sony and slept with the creator of the F35, there is no way he would have been able to achieve 50p 444...

But if you learn to think the "Japanese Way" you can bypass some of it and get it to work...

This was a fun thread. Now back to my life!
 
Archduk3 said:
I think yet again we are splitting hairs, and we can argue both ways here. I personally don't think he would even mention it, nor compare it to the Codex-M unless it could match its recording. However he doesn't state it specifically. Until he decides to log in again, this is conversation is at a standstill :undecided

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No standstill... we keep on moving. He's gone. Between you, me and Yachacha and a bunch of owners (ex) in this forum, we know more about the F35 than anyone else. Arrogant? Yes. You bet. hahaha.
 
rbirnbaum said:
No standstill... we keep on moving. He's gone. Between you, me and Yachacha and a bunch of owners (ex) in this forum, we know more about the F35 than anyone else. Arrogant? Yes. You bet. hahaha.
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Probably right. So he either lied, or is talking out of his ass. I'm just more annoyed that he was being so secretive about it. And logs in every 2 years :D

But back to the previous options then :)

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yachacha said:
"and we can argue both ways here" - You are not using the word argue there?
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As in two people can argue their point, the verb, doesn't mean they ARE arguing with eachother.

yachacha said:
Archduk3 I think you can be the dangerous combination of arrogant and ignorant.
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Hand on heart, is the same type of curiosity I saw you have a few years back in the threads. I understand that information has to be correct, but don't confuse my curiosity to make things work with arrogance. I never claimed I was the expert, and I am just wanting to learn more about things that we potentially not know all about. And I was just making a point that the user in this case was stating something I had not heard of. Didn't mean I think I was right, I just meant that I wanted to hear his side until I fully kill it all off.

yachacha said:
I know I'm a jerk, I try to politely correct things, then I get a little more annoyed. Why am I a jackass about the fans? Because you felt the need to correct me when you were wrong! You didn't take 2 secs to research your comment when I had been building personal PC's since age 13 and knew for a fact what I was saying. I try to fact check myself and the most I see you post misleading ideas it becomes clear you don't have the hands-on experience.
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Right, and here I was looking at the manual, and physically checked several times before and I didn't feel any draft from the camera. Which did surprise me, which is why I admitted was wrong.

And much like you I built PCs since I was a tiny boy, but I honestly made a mistake, and I admitted that.

yachacha said:
You praise the Codex M recorder on instagram when someone else is actually shooting with their SRW-1, but then I come to see comments here which let me know you haven't even properly hooked up your Codex M. Why sing praise for a system you haven't even used yet?
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I did not. I said it covers all recordings if that is someone's flavor, and it is a solid state medium. I may have joked privately with another user about it, but I just want these cameras to be used as well.


For me a community is inviting for new people to join and more people to learn. I hope the F35 community booms more and people start using the cameras...yes prices will rise then but it also mean we have more people that get to enjoy these cameras, more people that have a reason to service them, and more of them get to actually see the light of day.

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