F3: F3 looks more like film than F55 IMO.

Yes I agree, my point is that the F35 is indeed a 20 megapixel sensor, but with only an effective resolution of a 3.6 megapixel sensor. ie. It will only ever be HD so having a 4k sensor to deliver 4k or prestine HD can make an EPIC, F5/F55 with R5 more than ideal.
 
starcentral said:
Yes I agree, my point is that the F35 is indeed a 20 megapixel sensor, but with only an effective resolution of a 3.6 megapixel sensor. ie. It will only ever be HD so having a 4k sensor to deliver 4k or prestine HD can make an EPIC, F5/F55 with R5 more than ideal.
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That's just plain misleading.

Yes - the 12MP Sony F35 RGB stripe sensor produces a final 1920x1080 RGB image, and the Sony PMW-F3 uses a 3.36MP bayer pattern sensor to produce a final 1920x1080 RGB image.

The acquisition method makes a difference though, because the sampling is different, the resulting image clarity and color mix is different. The bayer sensor has to interpolate positions of colors in a way the RGB stripe sensor doesn't. Only the RGB stripe sensor can actually acquire true RGB 4:4:4 data.

My points in this thread were never about whether 4k or 1080p is more ideal - simply pointing out that for 1080p final delivery the Sony F35 produces an image that can compete with 4k acquired images in a way other 1080p sensors can't.

You can still make all your other points about why 4k is better, this was a specific point relating back to the OP.
 
Yes, both F35 and Genesis great cameras. The wide dynamic range is there to allow users to shift tonal range where they want it. There isn't any display device around outside a theater that displays 13.5 stops anyway. You can light for this. Camera hardware is greatly over-emphazed as a factor in image quality - sensor technology has outpaced the ability of many dos and many modest cameras can produce good results. What does count: first the expertise of the cameraman; second the quality of the glass; and third, the expertise of the colorist and quality of the grading system. Any of these cameras can produce spectacular or shitty images. The F35, F65 and Alexa (and Genesis) seem to have a sweet spot as far as an intangible pleasing looks, but many other cameras can also look great. All of them can also easily make lousy pictures without much trouble.
 
Barons said:
There isn't any display device around outside a theater that displays 13.5 stops anyway.
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A good grade is about bringing the recorded DR into the range of the O/P device.

I dont know where you started but I started in a B+W darkroom - all about dodging and burning the image to bring the full range (the macro contrast) of the neg down to the DR of the paper (but still using high contrast paper that brings out micro contrast)

Therefore even a six stop iphone screen can represent a 14 stop scene - but only with clever use of secondaries in the grade.

S
 
Viddovation said:
That's just plain misleading.

Yes - the 12MP Sony F35 RGB stripe sensor produces a final 1920x1080 RGB image, and the Sony PMW-F3 uses a 3.36MP bayer pattern sensor to produce a final 1920x1080 RGB image.

The acquisition method makes a difference though, because the sampling is different, the resulting image clarity and color mix is different. The bayer sensor has to interpolate positions of colors in a way the RGB stripe sensor doesn't. Only the RGB stripe sensor can actually acquire true RGB 4:4:4 data.

My points in this thread were never about whether 4k or 1080p is more ideal - simply pointing out that for 1080p final delivery the Sony F35 produces an image that can compete with 4k acquired images in a way other 1080p sensors can't.

You can still make all your other points about why 4k is better, this was a specific point relating back to the OP.
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I never once disagreed that the F35 can create "nice HD" I only wanted to clarify to others that it could be quite misleading to quote the overall MP of the F35 (or Genesis) vs any other camera that uses a bayer pattern sensor - that's all.
 
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