Exporting Uncompressed 16x9 Confusion Please Help

Steven Bogda

Steven Bogda

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Hi,
I edited a video in Vegas 7's NTSC 24p Wide screen canvas and it looks nice. I want to make a master uncompressed quicktime movie file of my video (which is about 30 seconds long). When I render it as a uncompressed quicktime, the file it creates looks 4x3 and is all stretched funny like I was looking at a old consumer camera's LCD as it was shooting 16x9.

When I bring this file into the same wide screen canvas it came out of, it only fills the middle part of the viewer and has black bars on the left and right. I right click it and go to properties then check off maintain aspect ratio and it stretches it out to fit the widescreen viewer and looks fine.

My problem is is that the movie file itself is actually 4x3 and when I bring it into other programs such as Premiere, it still only takes up the middle of the widescreen canvas, and there is no "maintain aspect ratio" setting that I can find in premiere.

Is there a more simple way to get a widescreen uncompressed quicktime file that all NLEs can read as being widescreen?

Thanks
 
When I used premiere to edit a while ago, I would export as 16x9 uncompressed and it would open up in vegas or fcp and look perfect. Am I missing something?
 
When .mov was not doing what I thought it would I did avi. First I missed the "uncompressed" option from the "video format" drop down and exported it as "ntsc dv widescreen". The finished avi file was the size I was hoping for, and i could add it into premiere and back into the vegas widescreen canvas and not have to do anything to make it look 16x9 like the .movs required.

I put this version ontop of the edited version in the timeline and toggled the solo on it's track to see if there were differences between my edited footage and the exported version. This is when I discovered the quality difference and found out I exported compressed.

So I went back and did the same thing but changed it to uncompressed this time
Here is a screen shot of the settings I am using (default ones I believe)

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This is what the file looks like in WMP (and quicktime)

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Here is what I want it to look like (screen grab from inside vegas, but dimensions are correct compared to above)

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I just cant seem to get a uncompressed widescreen .avi .mov or anything file from vegas, anyone else have any input?
 
I just tried it out, it's a bug on Vegas. Vegas Movie Studio had the same bug last summer but they fixed it. But the bug is still on Vegas Pro.
 
thanks for looking into it. I dont know what to do now. luckily i can still export uncompressed 4x3 and have it letterbox itself and look normal
 
I am pretty sure you can change the aspect ratio on Premiere btw. I don't have it installed anymore, but I remember seeing such options to interpret the footage as 16:9 and what not.
 
Yeah you can do it in Premiere without a problem. Unfortunately I edited in Vegas and Premiere always gave me problems plus I don't really want to re edit. Do you know if the new Vegas acts like this? Or if this is a known issue to anyone else cause I find very little information on this subject on google which sucks cause that is how I usually fix things
 
What do you mean? Just edit all the way through to Vegas then. The bug only happens for their intermediate codecs, not for their delivery user formats. So just continue editing in Vegas all the way through (without using Premiere) and then export for the way you want to, and you will be fine.
 
I am editing in vegas all the way but I can't export a uncompressed 16x9 avi or mov file which is what i am trying to do
 
Ok, here's another way you could it:
Select the "NTSC DV Widescreen" template under "Avi".
Then press "custom", and change there to 23.976 frame rate and progressive field order. That's it, it will now come out widescreen. The trick is to customize their existing DV widescreen template instead of uncompressed. Uncompressed doesn't seem to store any aspect ratio.
 
But you can't render with DV compression at 23.976 without using pulldown, so the file will actually be 60i.

True, Vegas will have no problem removing the pulldown when you put it back onto the timeline, but if what you want is a pure 23.976 file, you won't be able to do it that way.

Also, you're recompressing back to DV, so you're losing a generation there.
 
Well, there's no other way of doing it. Using 854x480 or 874x480 is not a resolution that will necessarily work perfectly on another editor. It's good for a user delivery export size, but for intermediate purposes is not always the best idea because it's not standard. Especially if you are supposed to share the footage with other teammates for other DV projects etc.

Bottomline, this is a bug that must be fixed in Vegas.
 
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He's not looking to use it in another editor.

Besides, what editor doesn't it work in? (Keep in mind also that "16:9", though you'd think it would be mathematically universal, it isn't. It's slightly different between all sorts of things -- editors, render engines, cameras, formats, pixel shapes . . . )

In any case, I agree; it's something that shouldn't be an issue at all.
 
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