ex1r vs. scarlet 2/3? Any thoughts?

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billygraydon

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The epic 2/3 seems to be the only one within the price range of an ex1r and the interchangeable 2/3 being $2750 plus accessories, lens, etc. I am guessing total cost is around $7,000. So my question is what are the benefits to have an ex1r and or a 2/3 scarlet. what suits them best. feature films in particular maybe?

Thanks a lot guys Im sure the question has been asked a ton of times but now that we have a clear definition of what the scarlet is going to be maybe you guys can offer your insight.

Oh and does red work with fcp? or only redcode?
 
billygraydon said:
now that we have a clear definition of what the scarlet is going to be
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Where is there a clear definition of what the Scarlet is going to be? The last I saw, which I believe was the 11/30 announcements, it was the usual concept renderings and hypothetical specs, with the standard Red "count on everything changing" language.
 
from what ive read finding lenses for the 2/3" scarlet will be expensive since 35mm lenses *mostly* arent the answer.

to go wide you need to have about a 6mm or so which should get around 21mm. forget 35mm lenses unless you are looking for extreme telephoto. there is something like a 3.5x crop factor.

also from what i have gathered it would almost be more logical to get the scarlet with the s35 instead of the 2/3" since getting glass will be cheaper and more friendly.

the only slightly economical deal is the scarlet with the fixed lens but that seems kind of limiting with only a 8x.

im still waiting to see how much a rig cost when it has all of the necessary extras added on.

im not in the market for any red myself but i hope they have great success, plus it will force everyone else to compete even harder.

david
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yea i basically ment from the 11/30 announcement. So compared to a 2/3 would an ex1r be a better buy? given that the specs of the scarlet remain the same.
 
I would think the workflow efficiency would be superior on the XDCam, whilst you'll probably get shallower depth of field with the Scarlet.

RED is a status symbol camera, sort of like owning a BMW SUV. XDCam is sort of like the Ford Expedition SUV, very capable and still quite luxurious, yet not a status symbol.
 
Theoretically a Scarlet will give a much cleaner image than the EX line. Plus the ability to overcrank to 150p is pretty amazing.

And though, from RED's success I believe they will be able to deliver, and I'm hopeful the Scarlet will be all that it promises to be, I'm reserving judegment until I see some footage.
 
the 150fps is bad a$$.

basspig,
the DOF for the 2/3" is only minimal compared to the EX 1/2". not enough to get too excited about IMO. years ago i had a 2/3" camera but cant say my EX1 feels that much different. now the S35...thats a different story.

RED status symbol? for some of the people that enjoy being a snob i guess. i dont think its worth much more than that though. from much of what i read there are many Red One owners offering up their rigs for rental for cheap and many times including themselves with the package. i gather many went into hock getting the R1 package and figured they would pay for it by renting when not using but they are a dime a dozen and many are eating them for lunch it seems. this is not a knock against the R1 in the least and i have respect for the product itself. im not sure where the status symbol comes into play though, maybe in *ones* own heads i suppose. in practice its just a piece of equipment that will or wont be right for a given job and how much does it cost to rent or buy vs another brand.


david
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Waiting for RED.

Waiting for RED.

I will be upgrading to Scarlet from my EX1 since I want a smaller and lighter backpack camera setup. The picture quality will be better but the data rates are larger - so you need lots of hard drives. With that said, I'm hoping to see more competition from Canon, Sony, and Nikon.

FYI - I passed on my RED 1, #217 and bought and EX1 instead with no regrets. I did not want to beta test RED - there was no sound at that build - so I saved a bunch and went with the EX1. Scarlett was what I wanted RED 1 to be - smaller, autofocus, 2/3rds, fits in a backpack and can be carried on in a plane under 25 pounds. RED 1's now illegal batteries were the nail in the coffin and the overall weight was too much for a backpack requiring larger tripods heads, etc... I run and gun.
 
EX1 would seem to be the ultimate run & gun cam (with a Rode stereo mic on it). The Red cameras require some extra work to realize finished video. And I'm not a fan of they way Red renders colors with its single-chip. Kinda' like my Canon HV20.
I'm really liking the EX footage, moreso when I watch a wall-sized image of it. I often wonder how much better it would look if I could capture the SDI stream and lightly compress it to Blu-ray disc. I have some amazing Quicktime footage I rendered out (PhotoJPEG @ quality 97) with post sharpening on footage I shot with Detail Off, and it looks amazing. It's just jaw-dropping for it's "20/20-vision-like" clarity, dynamic range and color rendition. I keep thinking, "Why can't rented Blu-ray movies look this good?"
 
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