EX1 Footage on a 110" Screen!

basspig

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I just returned from aligning a Mitsubishi projector for a well-off friend of mine. It's a higher-end model with a lot of lumens. He had it shown on a 110" DaLite screen and when I got there, the black was dark grey and my task was to see if it could be improved.
To make a long story short, I was more successful than I thought possible and achieved blacks that put some LCDs to shame, and achieved a decent range of shadow detail and a fairly bright overall image.

I bought my Blu-ray disc of various events I shot with the EX1 as a test disc, since I'm very familiar with the way that footage looks.

Well, I can tell you, EX1 footage on a 110" screen, viewed from 8' puts traditional cinema to shame! It was almost like looking at life with the nake eye. People were life-sized, cars, dogs, etc., and despite the huge screen, the footage was razor sharp. The colors were just as vivid as on my LCD TV at the studio. We had the room almost dark, but for some dim ambience lights behind the screen, splashing on the front wall. The images popped off the screen with amazing clarity I did not expect. It was better than Imax, in fact. It was clear, loaded with fine detail. No grain, no blurring of images, no out of focus sensation like I always get in the cinema with 35mm prints. This was so good that it caused me to re-think the idea of getting a projector. I saw a Barco projector 20 years ago that cost as much as a starter home and it wasn't this good, or even close.

The pleasant surprise was how the EX footage looked like real life, not a projected image, on this system. The HID light source is true daylight and the daylight scenes looked just right and nearly bright enough. Maybe with 30% more lumens, it could have been perfect, but the DLP technology is amazing!

On top of that, the projector only consumes 2.5 amps at 120VAC--less than a Plasma TV. Bulb life is estimated at 5,000 hours. Now this is worth considering.

If you've never seen EX1 footage on a huge screen, by all means find someone with a high end projection system that's 1080P and put that footage on BD-R and show it. It's so much clearer, cleaner and sharper than projected film there is no contest!
 
Geez, that must be one expensive projector!
Mang, by the way your describing it, i might just have to sell a camera just to get it. :shocked:
 
It was a lot less money than I thought, plus he worked out a deal with the company rep, who apparently has some business relationship with his company (acoustic treatments) and bought a demo unit that had been shown at trade shows for about 40% less than street price. Between that and the screen, he did spend a nice sum, but it was surprisingly affordable. The image quality took me by surprise and now I'm researching projectors and reading spec sheets. I'm finding that to get even 20% better, one has to spend 3.5X the list price of the one my friend has. It looks like he's found the sweet spot for price point.
Now I'm having thoughts of making an architectural change here at the Bass Pig's Lair, removing a pillar that blocks the screen, installing an acoustically-transparent screen and one of these projectors, so I have a wall sized image, clarity and that movie theater feel, with sound coming FROM the picture. THere's something about a huge picture that is different than just sitting close to a monitor.
 
I bought a projector this morning.. InFocus IN82. 1920x1080 native, 1500 ANSI lumens.
Now studying screen technology, which is further complicated by the fact that I need an acoustic-transparent (perf) screen to place in front of my 22' wall of speakers in my screening room.
Looked at Stuart Screen and Vu-Tech. Too many problems with sound attenuation. Looking into a different material that has better acoustic properties and excellent light reflecting properties.
I'm planning a 124" screen. With sound coming directly through the screen, it will be a true theatrical experience.
Projector should be here in about a week. Will then experiment with screen materials. Should be able to show EX footage at larger-than-life size by end of the month.
 
Just updating...

Our new screening room is functional, although the aesthetic treatments are still under construction.

The new screen is 2.35:1 cinemascope aspect and measures 5' tall and 11.75' wide.
I'm running acoustically-transparent screen material from Seymour AV Products and it is a stunning sight!

After watching a couple of Hollywood movies, I put on the Blu-ray disc I authored with my demo reel--all XDCam footage. For detail, dynamic range, clarity, freedom from noise (I find the term "transparentness" to be descriptive here), the XDCam footage I shot has them all beat.

I am watching it on a 154" diagonal-measured screen. This is about as huge as the image will get, relative to a seating position (sitting 8' from a 12' wide screen for a real panaramic, immersive effect). At that size, I see a LOT of flaws in movies... at least 1-2 scenes where the focus puller was a little off and subject was not quite focused (couldn't see that on a 47" screen). I can easily spot the different film stocks now.

One nice thing, this projector, being a 30-bit color system, doesn't exaggerate noise like the LCD TV does. All the footage that I thought looked slightly noise, looks perfectly clean and has an uncanny sense that I'm not viewing film or video, but looking at the real scene. This is with the XDCam footage. I don't get that with most movies, as there's a layer of grain and details are very soft. With 30-bit 'deep color', gone is the banding I noticed on sunsets and any slight noise is not accentuated. The XDCam footage is in fact, much cleaner than I first thought. After watching Hollywood's Blu-ray movies on a 154" of screen, it simply baffles me that the XDCam footage can look that much better than 90% of the movies. But there it is.. or I'm some sort of genius camera operator who can make the XDCam sing, dance and do summersaults... who knows. :)
 
A sneek peek at my new screening room, under construction! 154" of widescreen glory, backed by 16,500 watts of surround sound goodness!


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For the rest: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/album.php?albumid=225
 
If I'm ever in Connecticut I wanna stop by and view some of my own footage, LOL! Awesome setup Mark!
 
Bass Pig, How are the flesh tones on your screen and horizontal movement, does the projector track well? I am a video "hawk eye' like you. Twenty years ago I started in Lazer disks of which I still have 400 of them. I wonder how they would look on your system. Still have the original "Surgeant Peppers Lonely... Band" by the beatles. I've known for a long time the EX-n cameras were a killer for the money, and I am glad that you can tell us how good. Remember that the pickups are "pic cell" for "pic cell" for on-screen resolution and do not use the shifting techniques that other manufacturers do . And then there's the Fujinon (glass) lens that uses the same technology in there expensive broadcast lenses. So let us not complain about the small problems (battery drain, etc.) in the early production models. The bottom line for the pro is noiseless clairity and accuracy of color -- end of story. Carl
 
Hi guys,

It's been a busy two weeks, with me working to build a center channel speaker, framework, new Seymour AV Products AT screen and projector installation, not to mention modifying the building to remove a column that was in the way!
We're a few days from finalizing everything, technically, and a week from finishing the aesthetic touches.

You're ALL welcome to stop in and see your footage on this screen. Bring a Blu-ray disc version!

Carl, the flesh tones are some of the best on any projector (and, according to reviews, at ANY price). The motion tracking is excellent because the 24P mode has a feature that displays at 48Hz and imitates the double-bladed shutter on film-type theater projectors.
The most striking improvements (beside the size) is the benefit of 30-bit color. Dark scenes are very clean and detailed now, gone is the murky, noisy blockiness that I was plagued with on my LCD. No more banding on sunsets. Black is finally BLACK. But even on wide dynamic range footage, such as an army truck passing with the sun in the shot, I can see the properly-exposed sky AND see the undercarriage of the truck both clearly.
The colors are amazing. InFocus makes some serious stuff!
The parade footage, shot with the on-camera Rode NT4 was like being there, when played at lifelike levels. Motorcycles pass by at 30" distance to the camera and when they gun the throttles, it sends chills down the ol' spine!
EX1 sound and picture just baffles me. I'm finding flaws in just about every Blu-ray movie I've watched here, but the EX1 footage is closer to good eyesight. Everything else is soft, grainy and has unrealistic colors and blown highlights. I thought this big screen would embarrass the EX1, but instead it's proven just how superior it is.

Guy, vibration is only a problem when I'm playing extreme low frequency content at life-threatening levels. Normal movie viewing doesn't visibly affect the picture, at least not from the seating location.
My larger concern was would I have the problem that Stuart Filmscreen users were reporting? Comb filtering and HF loss? I am pleased to relate that I can't hear any degradation of the highs, or anything else, with the screen in place.

I've also made acoustic treatments a priority in this screening room: I trippled the thickness of fiberglass panels on the speaker wall, added some bass traps in the corners, added sound and light traps to the ceiling above the screen (this prevents light from the screen from bouncing off the ceiling and scattering back on the screen causing loss of contrast on bright scenes) and it absorbs sound down to 75Hz. Sweeps done before and after show that it eliminated a hump at 75Hz and listening tests show that the sound stage image increased in height and instruments are now positioned with discreet, pinpoint accuracy, no longer slightly blurred as before. I'm hearing minor instruments and side harmonies in music that I never noticed before. Acoustic treatments work!

Everything is custom built, except for the projector and seating. I got a deal on some theater style seats at Costco this week.. got three nice chairs now. The audio sounds gorgeous now. Even my old Burt Bacharach albums from 1965 come to life with a new level of clarity.

Thursday night I will probably have the center speaker completed. It's painted and ready to receive crossover, drivers and connector plate.

Curtains still to be hung, and I'm planning to experiment with plywood resonant panels to eliminate standing waves off the side and back walls, for better bass at the listener position. Even as it is now, it's sounding super. Can't wait to crank it up to insane levels this weekend!
 
Here are some recent updates:

Sound and light traps installed (this really improves dynamic contrast!)


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New theater style seating from Costco arrives. I've since added a third seat Wednesday:

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It's getting real exciting!

I'll take some screen shots this weekend and post em.
 
Just a quick update:
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Curtains are being installed!
Ready for a grand opening in a week or so. Probably have an official event in September, when my shooting schedule is less hectic.
 
You won't believe me if I told you!

The key is, eBay, and DiY.

I got the projector with 82 hours on it for 26 cents on the dollar. A $5500 projector for $1425.
We saved thousands by buying the curtain fabric ourselves and doing the sewing ourselves.
The screen is not $6,000 Stuart MicroPerf. It's $350 Seymour AV Products AT screen material (audiophiles judged it superior to Stewart MicroPerf) that I stretched over a 5'x12' frame that I constructed of poplar hardwood. The wall is built out of 2x4s. Felt from Jo-Ann's Fabrics covers the 2x4s. Velvet for the curtains ($195 worth).
I constructed a center channel speaker to match my main speakers. Sheet of 13 ply Baltic birch: $45. Driver, priceless (but in storage here for 20 years, so no out of pocket expense). Tweeter, found used on eBay for $320. Offered $180 and sold to me. A few hundred spent on fiberglass panels (for bass traps).

So... all told, about $2500 spent on this project. That leaves $1000 left from the sale of my HVR-V1U.

With all the acoustic treatments, it transformed the sound.. it's like I swapped out some industrial PA speakers and put in Wilson-Benesch Bishops behind the screen! The imaging and flatness of the frequency response has improved 900% over the untreated room.

I'm considering an Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray disc player to upgrade my Sony BDP-S301, because of the Oppo's ability to play media off a USB drive. That will give me the ability to play daily rushes without having to burn a Blu-ray disc... just dump footage to a portable HD and plug into the Oppo.

Once you've seen XDCam on this screen, you won't feel any envy of Panavision. I find myself seeing flaws in most of the Blu-ray movies I rent. Stanley Kubrick's camera obviously had no lens coatings--internal reflections and flare galore! And not sharp to the edges either. Other films have lots of visible grain. Details look a bit soft. Then put on the demo disc I made with the XDCam and it's like getting a new pair of eyeglasses--suddenly everything is very clear and lifelike, gone is the noise, grain and lack of fine detail. I have a military air show on BD-R that I like to use as a demo because of the editing and the cool subjects and action. It's like watching a big budget film, and just appreciating the fine details in the aircraft as they pass by, not to mention the incredible dynamic range of the EX1... everyone that comes in here is utterly stunned by that footage.

I dare say, if you haven't seen EX1 footage on a 154" screen, you have not seen what the camera is capable of. :)
 
A quick update...


Here's our equipment racks that drive the front, center and surround speakers:
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And here is the screen as it looks today.. just two more curtain sections to sew and hang:
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I may shoot a video tour soon.
 
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