Everyone, please sign this as a small way to try to stop "Smooth Motion" on TV's

It would be great if the TVs would have a DEMO mode that would need to be turned on in shops, but the default settings would have all the smoothmotion120hz ultrabright toosaturated settings turned off so that the images would look like they were intended.
 
Cinema is only a small part of the material watched on TVs. Maybe frame interpolation should at least be turned off when the TV detects 24fps video. Not optimal, but a good start.

People often confusing high refresh rate with frame interpolation doesn't help promote the anti-interpolation cause either. I've read at least a couple of popular internet video guys perpetuating the myth of "bad high refresh rate".
 
You're lucky if the average consumer even knows what your talking about, much less appreciate the distinction or care about it. Changing defaults will not affect the average users viewing experience. Any 'phile will be aware of it and make the switch if they care.

'Extremely disruptive and degrading'? Please lower the level of hyperbole to a more realistic level. I'd call it a minor nuisance to those that care.
 
Most people sense a difference between 24 and 60 Hz. They just can't put their finger on it. Even so, their sense of it is strong not faint. For example, my mom said that she always knew that there was something she didn't like about how soap operas looked, but it wasn't until I told her that she knew why.

The whole idea of motion being a series of still pictures is so counterintuitive that laypeople forget to consider it as the reason. Instead they ascribe all sorts of oblique reasons for the difference. I've heard them blame the lighting, acting, and even sound. Frame rate seems to seep into all aspects of the show.
 
I was just telling a friend the other day, I don't believe they've installed this "feature" on the 4K TVs yet. Does anybody have an idea about this?

I agree, it's one of the most thoughtlessly awful things that has ever happened to cinema.
 
Regular tv shows look awful with it too and I wish it wasn't even available as a feature. However as long as it can be turned off, there's no problem. A clear standardised label for it would help because not all menu entries are obvious and very few actually documented by the manufacturer. Most TV manuals I've downloaded only repeat the labelled function in the description, don't describe what it does or what each setting of each function is for. A lot of guesswork is required and visits to videophile sites because the manufacturers don't provide the information. This I would like corrected.

On the flip side everytime I enter a house I leave a hero because I 'fix' their tv. So it's not all bad. After the fix some people even choose to turn it back on (but still note the improved picture after other calibrations). IT knowledge has become passe, even gran can fix her own computer more often than not these days. Mum hasn't asked for help in ages. But I still get to be the resident tech hero in my social circles with media devices. Although with AV cables fast disappearing (seriously, how complicated is it to match the colours?!) and HDMI standard, surfing menus and calibrating screens is about all that's left to us!
 
StarCoreFilms said:
As long as you can disable it I see no problem.
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The problem isn't whether it is there as an option or has an on or off switch for the smoothing, it's that it's turned ON by default. When you bring a new TV home and turn it on, you've got smoothing. Outside of this little circle of filmmakers and videophiles the other 99.999% of the world has no idea that there is an option to turn off this f(&^%$#^&**^%$#@%&(*( smoothing crap so any TV sold with it will almost always stay with it on unless they happen to be visited by one of us .0001% who even know how to fix it and are in a position to fix it. I can't and won't even fix it most of the times that I see someone's TV set up like that. It's just too much bother.
Basically the CE industry is selling a product that intentionally makes all of our hard work look like crap.
 
Andrius Simutis said:
The problem isn't whether it is there as an option or has an on or off switch for the smoothing, it's that it's turned ON by default. When you bring a new TV home and turn it on, you've got smoothing. Outside of this little circle of filmmakers and videophiles the other 99.999% of the world has no idea that there is an option to turn off this f(&^%$#^&**^%$#@%&(*( smoothing crap so any TV sold with it will almost always stay with it on unless they happen to be visited by one of us .0001% who even know how to fix it and are in a position to fix it. I can't and won't even fix it most of the times that I see someone's TV set up like that. It's just too much bother.
Basically the CE industry is selling a product that intentionally makes all of our hard work look like crap.
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Yeah, I do agree that it should not be enabled by default for sure.
 
If you or someone you know has ever unboxed a new HDTV and set it up only to find the video looks terrible and overly smooth, the problem is simple: Motion Smoothing, which often ships on by default, is enabled on the set, and turning it off will give you the experience you're looking for.

Over at How-To Geek, Jason Fitzpatrick explains that HDTV manufacturers often apply motion smoothing to their sets in order to counter the motion blur that's inherent to large-screen HD sets with 120hz and 240hz refresh rates. That refresh rate is key—by drawing as many frames as possible and leaving motion smoothing turned on, you get that effect where everything seems too smooth and fake, often called the "soap opera effect," named after the overly smooth pans and overly realistic sweeps that came from the low-budget cameras used on soap sets.

The fix, they explain, is simple—just disable motion smoothing on your set. Different manufacturers call it different things, but it's almost always listed as something like "MotionFlow," "Auto Motion," "Smooth Motion" "ClearFrame," or something similar. Check your owner's manual to make sure you have the right setting, or just Google your TV manufacturer and "motion smoothing" to find out what to look for. Turning it off gives you a more cinematic look, and presents the video you're watching in a manner more true to the source material.
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http://lifehacker.com/disable-motion-smoothing-to-get-rid-of-soap-opera-effe-1526424116
 
Yes, you can disable it, but usually that option is buried a bit deep in the settings.

For example, my mom said that she always knew that there was something she didn't like about how soap operas looked, but it wasn't until I told her that she knew why.
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From another lay(wo)man's perspective, last year when we got a new LG TV we were watching one of the final Breaking Bad episodes and my wife said unsolicited, "This looks like a soap opera" (gimme a break, I was still futzing with the settings....I said it was a new TV!)

'Extremely disruptive and degrading'? Please lower the level of hyperbole to a more realistic level.
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I'd hardly call it hyperbole, I think it looks like crap.

I was watching "Days of Our Lives" the other day and thought it was fine.
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Thats a good one.
 
Andrius Simutis said:
The problem isn't whether it is there as an option or has an on or off switch for the smoothing, it's that it's turned ON by default.
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That's the issue right there. I want it on my TV, I watch sport - it works for sport.

I go to friends houses and they have it on ... by default, I tell them about it but they won't let me change it - THEY LOVE IT. Soon cinema will need to look like rubbish to please the consumer...
 
Scott F said:
'Extremely disruptive and degrading'


I'd hardly call it hyperbole, I think it looks like crap.
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This use of adjectives makes the words meaningless.

We've been through this many times. Audio gets compressed. Movies get colorized, panned and scanned, edited, censored, etc. Dead actors from old movies got placed into ads. Dead singers get to do duets with other singers without their permission. The default setting in a TV is doesn't even qualify as compared to these other things that television has done to films because you can change it.

If this is extremely disruptive and degrading, I don't know what words would be left to describe a kidnapping or rape. But I'm an old dude so you can ignore me. I'm probably extremely old and massively stupid. I can't tell anymore.
 
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