Editing Cinema Raw Light in real-time on PC?

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drummondb

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Anyone have luck editing cinema raw light on a PC in Premiere? Thinking specifically about the C70 files. I've seen few people mention on YouTube they were able to, but I think it was in reference to a top of the line Mac.

I could upgrade my GPU and RAM, but wondering if my i9-9900KF CPU will ever have the power, or if I'd need a newer generation motherboard and CPU.
 
You could look into motherboards, SSDs, etc., or just use a proxy workflow. Yes, it has the downside that you have to create proxies, but I've been doing it this way for months and it's been a life-saver -- and I'm still using my laptop. Premiere's proxy workflow is very simple to use.
 
AtticusLake said:
You could look into motherboards, SSDs, etc., or just use a proxy workflow. Yes, it has the downside that you have to create proxies, but I've been doing it this way for months and it's been a life-saver -- and I'm still using my laptop. Premiere's proxy workflow is very simple to use.
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I have no clue about PC components - but also for creating proxies a powerful system will be helpful.
 
Clermond said:
I have no clue about PC components - but also for creating proxies a powerful system will be helpful.
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Sure, if you want to wait while it happens. But kind of the point of proxies is that you can set it going and let it run overnight or whatever -- and save your money.

Of course this doesn't suit every workflow; if your whole project needs to be done in a day, for example, then proxies is probably the wrong approach. But for longer-term projects I think it's well worth it.
 
AtticusLake said:
Sure, if you want to wait while it happens. But kind of the point of proxies is that you can set it going and let it run overnight or whatever -- and save your money.

Of course this doesn't suit every workflow; if your whole project needs to be done in a day, for example, then proxies is probably the wrong approach. But for longer-term projects I think it's well worth it.
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I must say I have a different approach on saving money. If you spend let’s say 4grand for suitable hardware that’s 111$ a month in 3 years. How many hours will a fast machine save you in a month? Time for being more productive or time for the family. The math still works for me with 6grand / 166$ per month. YMMV
 
Clermond said:
I must say I have a different approach on saving money. If you spend let’s say 4grand for suitable hardware that’s 111$ a month in 3 years.
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That's definitely a good point! And total lifetime/workflow/system cost is definitely the right approach for calculating things, as opposed to spot/item cost.

My general assumption is that I don't need a super-fast machine, except for editing, and a proxy workflow lets me deal with that. So I can just carry on using my laptop, which suits my whole lifestyle. It is a pretty new, high-end gaming laptop, and I can't think of anything I use it for that would go faster on a faster machine -- except proxy creation, and like I said, I just let that run while I'm doing something else.

Of course, as you say, YMMV. Someone setting up a dedicated editing workstation might be well advised to invest in a super-powerful system up front. But I think it's a valid point that a proxy workflow lets you edit fast and smooth (and blurrier) on cheaper hardware. It certainly has its downsides, of courrse. For a really professional high-end colour grade, working with full-res originals may be the right way to go; proxies don't necessarily render colour exactly the same way. But if you want to share your project with someone over the internet, for collaboration, proxies might be the only way.
 
a proxy work flow does not take your time... well it takes 2 mins..

file->generate proxies->OK

computer then churns for six hours)

it takes the computers time not yours.

You can either organise this or not.. maybe the deadline is too soon.

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there may be a journey to be investigated: camera playback->sdi->atomos pro res -> edit on ssd drive.
 
Yes proxies are great sometimes. I was just wondering about what it would take to edit the raw files somewhat smoothly. My co-workers new i9 laptop with an RTX 3xxx something seems to edit much better than my 2019 Puget systems i9 workstation with an RTX 2xxx. Such is the world of computers, I know.

It's an interesting thought experiment that I suppose it too panful either way: if a new CPU would help, that means I basically need a new motherboard. If a new NVIDIA card would help--well good luck finding one for below 4 figures, if at all, haha.
 
If you are a Resolve user, I would recommend sticking with the existing i9 CPU and motherboard and replacing the GPU instead with an RTX 3090, not exclusively for the speed but because the 3090 has 24 GB of memory you can handle large multicam projects with NR and stabilization and nodes without getting out of memory warnings. Pretty much essential for 8K uncompromised. The problem with the 3090 is its length. I had to replace the tower case because it wouldn't fit the old one which contained 5.25" drive bays. I also replaced the power supply with a 1000 watt, up from the 750. The Corsair PS fan shuts off on low demand and the Corsair tower case has fans that spin in a bearing-less magnetic gap. It's very quiet, Resolve 8K editing with BRAW rarely stresses it to the point of the fans spinning up. You also get 1 or 2 HDMI 2.1 and Display Port outputs, depending on the brand (ASUS, Zotac etc.), setting you up for running 8K 60 FPS to your display(s) full time for everything, work, play, movies, gaming. The 3090 is coming down in price. I bought one from B&H for MSRP by getting on the "more on the way, notify me when in list."
 
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