dyne:bolic - Linux video editing from bootable CD

speedbump

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Oh. My. God.

I hate Windows, and only put up with it because of my video editing habits. If you're like me (and many of you are), you are waiting until an inexpensive alternative comes along to knock the Wintel duopoly off its throne. The Mac has been looking more and more attractive, since they now run a flavor of BSD unix under the hood, and they've done an incredible job with their eye candy GUI, but the Apple solution is not inexpensive.

I've also been a Linux guy for years, and have been waiting for something like Cinelerra to mature to the point where I can do real work on it.

Enter dyne:bolic (http://dynebolic.org), a custom Linux distribution which boots from a CD. You don't have to install it; you just download the ISO image, burn it onto a CD-R, pop it in your bootable CD tray, and restart your machine. Up pops Linux, preconfigured with all sorts of multimedia-handling software.

Why we care at DVXUSER is that dyne:bolic comes with Cinelerra, notoriously difficult to install and configure, but all the work has already been done for you. Why we care further is that Cinelerra edits a variety of video formats, such as HD in 1080i, 720P, and 480P, and at interesting framerates, SUCH AS 23.976 fps. Why we care even further is that Cinelerra supports render farms out of the box; you can boot up multiple systems you've got lying around running SETI and use them as transparent render nodes on your home (or office) network.

Oh yeah.

I'm very excited, and its because I'm typing this message from a dyne:bolic system right now, while Cinelerra is processing one of my video clips. People, we need to look at this technology. Tired of Adobe jerking you around? Tired of the mammoth costs of FCP? Tired of whatever else you're tired of?

I'm going to start playing around with dyne:bolic, Cinelerra, and some of the other goodies on the disk, and report in on how well it will work with the DVX100. So I have very little information other than my excitement at this moment. My girlfriend has just become a Linux window again.

:o
 
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I'm not really tired of anything . . .
 
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Ok, didn't sleep much last night, so poked around with Dyne:bolic, and here's what I've learned.

If you are going to be serious about editing HD, Cinelerra can certainly handle it, BUT you've got to have the best possible workstation you can can get your credit cards to finance, because it isn't optimized for single workstation use.

So right off the bat, booting from, and loading executables from, a slow medium like a CDROM is not going to cut it for day to day work. The dyne:bolic CD is great for testing things out, and for booting slave render nodes in your garage, but you'll want your primary workstation to have Linux installed on the harddrive, and you'll want one or maybe two ethernet adapters going to an elaborate switched gigabit network to support hordes of cheap render nodes.

You'll want your workstation to have a RAID of enough bandwidth that it can feed that hive of processors efficiently, so if you are doing all this yourself then you better know networking and hardware and software configuration pretty well.

Cinelerra uses a similar communications scheme to After Effects; if you have render nodes on your network, they all have to mount the same share with the same name in order to work on any given render task. The good news is that Cinelerra is a lot smarter with its rendering capabilities than After Effects... it communicates directly with all nodes in your cluster and avoids file sharing bottlenecks that slow AE down.

To optimize Cinelerra as much as possible, you will want to pick the right Linux distribution, install it on your mega workstation, and then compile Cinelerra and the other components (such as the Quicktime codec) by hand. You'll want to optimize your network share for smaller numbers of file names, and larger file sizes, because Cinelerra works best when you set it up to do backround rendering all the time while you do your work. That is, it is busy behind the scenes trying to render stuff you are working on while you do it. For many typical operations, it is reputed to offer realtime HD editing with a modest renderfarm behind it.

Linux and Cinelerra are not plug-n-play. You've got to know what you are doing, or learn the hard way. But if you can get over these hurdles, then you can build yourself a High Def video editing suite right now. Or, if you want to edit 24PA video, you don't need to buy Vegas, Avid, FCP, or Premiere Pro 1.5; Cinelerra can do it.

Dyne:bolic is an attempt to painlessly introduce one to the multimedia capabilities of Linux. With a little effort, a newbie can get a taste of Cinelerra and 'open' software. It also makes a great solution once you've get your monster editing workstation, and just need to quickly and easily boot up a gang of render nodes. But as a work-a-day HD editing solution, it ain't there yet.
 
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Are you kidding me? Using a cd loadable distro of linux as a video editing enviroment is like throwing petrol on fire. It performs horribly.

Cd loadable distros were released as a simple diagnostic o/s and now everyone has gone ahead and bastardised the operating system by making it more bulkier than it should be.

If you want to edit, do not edit from a cd loadable distro. if you really want to run linux, it won't suit your editing needs. I've been a linux user for about 6 years and i'm fully aware of it's capabilities and the standard of the video/audio editing software.

If you are still persistant in installing linux, actually install the o/s so it can perform functionally opposed from a cd.
 
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That is awesome...linux kicks ass! Can't wait to see the software improve. I am surprised that you can't actually install this ISO on your computer....are you sure running off the CD is just an option.

BTW thanks for all the awesome reviews and information you have provided in this thread...
 
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You can indeed copy the parts of the CD to a Linux partition on your hard drive and boot from it, but you might as well install a full version of Linux and then all the goodies necessary to run Cinelerra properly.

At some point in the future I will do just that, and post a full review of Cinelerra as a potentual editing platform for DVX100 footage. In order to do that, I've got to repartition my current workstation, and I'm leary of doing that at the moment. (I recently tried to install Redhat Fedore Core 2 and its boot loader screwed up my system so bad I had to reinstall Windows XP from scratch, and lost three days and a lot of hair doing it.)

As I said above, Cinelerra is NOT optimized for desktop use. It is software that, under the right conditions, contains features now that all the others can only hope to have years down the road. The carrot on the stick is true HD editing, using leftover hardware I'd otherwise donate to unappreciative teenagers.

There's no good reason that Linux can't become a premium video editing platform. 'Harumph,' said naysayers, when Linux first added SMP support. 'It'll never be ready for serious use.' Sun and Windows shills chortled at the lack of scalability of Linux, and yet today, it is incredibly scalable, and runs some of the world's largest supercomputing centers. 'Linux will dissappoint you as an editing platform.'

That's today... what about tomorrow?
 
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[quote author=speedbump link=board=Offtopic;num=1087343095;start=0#5 date=06/16/04 at 11:22:04] (I recently tried to install Redhat Fedore Core 2 and its boot loader screwed up my system so bad I had to reinstall Windows XP from scratch, and lost three days and a lot of hair doing it.)
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next time that happens, just reset your Master boot record with a boot disk. Issue the following command.

fdisk /mbr

It will reset your MBR ;)
 
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Resetting the MBR did NOT do it. I was SO pissed off. It was the first time that a Linux installation ever screwed me. I previously had dual-boot set up with Redhat 9.0. :(
 
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The only possible thing a boot loader can alter/screw up should be rectifiable by resetting the mbr. I'm very suprised it didn't.
 
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