DVX100b & Questions & GL2

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onmi

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Hi,

Im thinking of buyin DVX100B cam and I heard about "the color saturation pattern" problem. If I got it right, it will show those blocks on red (on blue and green also?) and you cant fix it by turning saturation low in camera?
Is this very visible? And does this happens everytime when there is some bright red?
If the footage is shown on TV, can those blocks be seen in TV also?

Is DVX100b's video quality 'better' than GL2's?
(I had GL2 and I wasnt satisfied how it showed up all colors. Colors were kind of 'candy looking' and green was bright green even when saturation was turned down etc.. Does DVX100b produce more 'natural' looking colors than GL2?)

Is DVX100b's progressive shooting mode better than the GL2's 25p?

Does DVX100b make red, green and blue look more saturated than other colors?

Does DVX100b make easily noise to video? (For example in to shadows or some other dark areas)

How does the "film look" actually appears in video when its normally shooted on DVX100 (25p or 50i)? Is it only the 24p-25p that makes it, or does the camera's colors and other things create the look too?
(Are those gamma cine effects 'cheap looking' film effects?)

Is there any bad things in DVX100b that i should know before i buy it?

Is there any uncompressed clips somewhere that have been filmed on DVX100b?


Thanks if someone could answer to my questions :)
 
onmi said:
Hi,

Im thinking of buyin DVX100B cam and I heard about "the color saturation pattern" problem. If I got it right, it will show those blocks on red (on blue and green also?) and you cant fix it by turning saturation low in camera?
Is this very visible? And does this happens everytime when there is some bright red?
If the footage is shown on TV, can those blocks be seen in TV also?

Is DVX100b's video quality 'better' than GL2's?
(I had GL2 and I wasnt satisfied how it showed up all colors. Colors were kind of 'candy looking' and green was bright green even when saturation was turned down etc.. Does DVX100b produce more 'natural' looking colors than GL2?)

Is DVX100b's progressive shooting mode better than the GL2's 25p?

Does DVX100b make red, green and blue look more saturated than other colors?

Does DVX100b make easily noise to video? (For example in to shadows or some other dark areas)

How does the "film look" actually appears in video when its normally shooted on DVX100 (25p or 50i)? Is it only the 24p-25p that makes it, or does the camera's colors and other things create the look too?
(Are those gamma cine effects 'cheap looking' film effects?)

Is there any bad things in DVX100b that i should know before i buy it?

Is there any uncompressed clips somewhere that have been filmed on DVX100b?


Thanks if someone could answer to my questions :)
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DVX100 is better, hands down... to answer your questions...

The DVX shoots 24 true frames per second, meaning it captures 24 total frames per second, just like a film camera.

The DVX has incredible filmlike latitude and gamma curve.

The DVX captures rich, vibrant colors, while keeping a sharp and clear picture.

The DVX is hands down the best camera you can buy for under 6k.

Check out my website, or click on my banner to see some DVX footage from my latest film.
 
Thanks

Thanks

Thanks for answers,

I checked out that trailer and it looked very nice. But the size of the screen is so small, so I cant clearly see the 'real quality' of video (noises or other stuffs).

Could someone answer more detailed answers to my questions that I wrote on previous post?
I really would like to know are those blocks really so bad on red areas? And will those come on every bright red areas?

And Does DVX100b make red, green and blue look more saturated than other colors? For example if person have red pants, so those are almost "glowing red" and other colors are more flatter. I found this problem in GL2 and I dont want to get it on my next cam :)

And is there any bad things in DVX100b that I should know before I buy it?

(When I bought my GL2, it was "hands down winner" and also everyone said "Rich colors" and things, but still I was very unsatisfied to that cam :) )
 
I have the GL2 and DVX100B. I use my GL2 for home videos and behind the scenes footage if that tells you anything. The DVX in my opinion is leaps and bounds better than the GL2 in all areas: color, how it handles low light and blacks, 24p, settings, on and on....

Nothing against the GL2 as I have had good results with it, but the DVX.. WOW.
 
Hey, thanks for answers :) Thats good to hear that its way better than GL2, I really wanted to get rid of that cam after 1month of use :)

Snodart: I checked out your 'cache' clip and it looked very nice!
Is that filmed fully with DVX100? No lenses or anything added to camera?
Have you used anykind of film filter effect or something when editing that clip?
 
onmi said:
Snodart: I checked out your 'cache' clip and it looked very nice!
Is that filmed fully with DVX100? No lenses or anything added to camera?
Have you used anykind of film filter effect or something when editing that clip?
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Thanks onmi. We used the DVX100b with my Snod35, 35mm adapter. No film filters or effects were added. That is the beauty of the DVX, many different looks can be accomplished with the camera settings. Of course, I did a touch of color correction in FCP, but it was all very slight.

Prosumer DV cams have limitations no matter which one you use. They will never fully look like film or HD, but the DVX is as close as it gets. I knew it was a great cam when I bought it, but I had no idea it was this great. I love it.
 
Does it make big difference to overall video quality when you use that 35mm adapter? (To colors, to "look" or sharpness etc..?)
Or does it only make focus blurs more easier to do?

How much those 35mm adapters cost? Does that adapter need some other things with it so it can be connected to cam?

(Btw. Does anybody know some shop in Germany where I could order DVX100b?)
 
onmi said:
Does it make big difference to overall video quality when you use that 35mm adapter? (To colors, to "look" or sharpness etc..?)
Or does it only make focus blurs more easier to do?

How much those 35mm adapters cost? Does that adapter need some other things with it so it can be connected to cam?
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Most 35mm adapters tend to give the image a softer look than straight DV. Judging by the fact that adapters are pretty popular, I think it is safe to say that most people like the look. It approaches a film look with the softness, but DV will always be DV. Each adapter gives a slightly different look.

The subject of 35mm adapters is an extensive one, but you will find tons of information here and elsewhere by doing a search.

This page will give you the basics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth-of-field_adapter

The price of adapters varies, but several of the popular ones sell for around $700 - $1000. There are a couple that sell for $5,000 - $10,000. I don't think that will last much longer though. There are many people around here that have built there own as well. I am currently making a do-it-yourself DVD that explains how to build an adapter. So there are a good deal of options.
 
Brandon Rice said:
DVX100 is better, hands down... to answer your questions...

The DVX shoots 24 true frames per second, meaning it captures 24 total frames per second, just like a film camera.

The DVX has incredible filmlike latitude and gamma curve.

The DVX captures rich, vibrant colors, while keeping a sharp and clear picture.

The DVX is hands down the best camera you can buy for under 6k.

Check out my website, or click on my banner to see some DVX footage from my latest film.
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Just to clear some of this up...

Actually the DVX doesnt shoot 24P like a film camera, it capture 24 progressive images in a 60i stream that can be made to look like telecined 24p (normal 24P F5 mode) or most NLEs can extract the 24 frames to edit in a 24P environment (using the F6 24PA mode)

The DVX color gamma is based on Panny's famous curves and looks great, the latitude is not near that of film or even 2/3" CCD cams but should be better than the GL2.

The DVX colors are very rich but they are also very noisy, the 100B improves on this quite a bit. The GL2 is actually going to be sharper than the DVX, that is one thing that the GL2 does have going for it.

The GL2 uses smaller CCDs which means it will generally need more light though in practice it is marginal.

I would say the DVX is the best camera for $3K and under street but not $6K... that would include lots of HDV cams, the HVX and the XL2. For $6K you could get an XL2, 16X manual lens, 3X wide lens, the Letus35XL Flip v2 and a set of Nikon primes =o) Of course that would also get you an Andromeda mod, etc. on the DVX.





ash =o)
 
Hey, thanks for the answers.

"The DVX colors are very rich but they are also very noisy, the 100B improves on this quite a bit. The GL2 is actually going to be sharper than the DVX, that is one thing that the GL2 does have going for it."
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Can that noise be compared to GL2's picture noise? Does GL2 produce cleaner picture than DVX100b?
And is that noise that kind of that the colors 'moves' all the time like in tiny dots, or is there some full covering noise mask on the picture?

Do you have some example clips how much noise that cam makes?

And does it happens only in dark shoots or in bright sunlight shoots too?

Does DVX do with same method that 25p look as GL2 does in '25p frame mode'?
 
The DVX is true progressive, the GL2 uses smart deinterlacing to get the progressive. It is actually pretty good but not the same as the DVX.

GL2 in good light will be cleaner than the DVX. The noise is mainly in the reds and blues




ash =o)
 
AshG said:
I would say the DVX is the best camera for $3K and under street but not $6K... that would include lots of HDV cams, the HVX and the XL2. For $6K you could get an XL2, 16X manual lens, 3X wide lens, the Letus35XL Flip v2 and a set of Nikon primes =o) Of course that would also get you an Andromeda mod, etc. on the DVX.
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When I said UNDER 6k... I did not mean to include the HVX in that equation, but I do mean to include the HDV stuff. The HDV stuff I have seen looks pretty terrible. Sometimes it looks too clear to me. The problem with the new breed of HDV cams is they look like crisp video, not like film. That is why I've grown so fond of the HVX. The stuff I've seen from that camera looks much more like film than the other HD cams.
 
Pulp Fiction

Pulp Fiction

Brandon Rice said:
The two cameras are really in different leagues.
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To quote Pulp Fiction:

VINCENT
Not the same thing, the same
ballpark.

JULES
It ain't no ballpark either. Look
maybe your method of massage
differs from mine, but touchin' his
lady's feet, and stickin' your
tongue in her holyiest of holyies,
ain't the same ballpark, ain't the
same league, ain't even the same
****** sport. Foot massages don't
mean ***.

Yeah the DVX is much better.
 
Brandon Rice said:
When I said UNDER 6k... I did not mean to include the HVX in that equation, but I do mean to include the HDV stuff. The HDV stuff I have seen looks pretty terrible. Sometimes it looks too clear to me. The problem with the new breed of HDV cams is they look like crisp video, not like film. That is why I've grown so fond of the HVX. The stuff I've seen from that camera looks much more like film than the other HD cams.
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Be careful not to use your personal preference as a definitive guide for others. I do not particularly care for the Sony Z1 but it has garnered a lot of broadcast work, and I venture to say that including ENG, it still is much more used than the HVX. People often forget that not everyone desires a film look, they want the highest quality video possible.

While I think it is fair to say the DVX is for most, a better camera than the GL2, I think you are really pushing it to say that the DVX is better than many of the newer HDV cams. You could shoot HDV, deinterlace to 24P and still get true 16:9 that has more resolution than the DVX...




ash =o)
 
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