DVX100B 24P vs. 24PA

MSteve0000,
I have shot films using both 24p and 24pA and I have edited both on a 29.97 timeline (I use Adobe Premiere Elements 3.0 and I do not have the option of removing pulldown and editing on a 23.97 timeline). The end result was then exported to DVD and viewed on a widescreen TV and projected on a big screen. Both did very well. Perhaps it is just my imagination, but I think the films shot on 24pA look just a tad better than the ones shot on 24p. I experienced no problems during editing either the 24p or the 24pA. I have examples of both on youtube. "13" was shot using 24p and "The Harmonica" was shot using 24pA. Both were edited on a 29.97 timeline and exported to MPEG2. 24p is primarily intended for editing on a 29.97 timeline while 24pA is intended for editing on a 23.97 timeline. However, that does not mean that using one or the other restricts you to one timeline or the other. By all means, though, if you have 23.97 editing capbility, use the 24pA and edit at 23.97. If, like me you are limited to a 29.97 timeline, you can actually use either 24p or 24pA at your descretion. I have been using 24pA simply because I hope to get Premiere Pro sometime in the future and want my stuff archived in 24pA for future editing. Also, as I said before, I think 24pA looks just a bit better, even when edited on 29.97.

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i'm getting pretty confused with the 24p and 24pa stuff and what would be best for me.

I want to be able to make the programs( music video's , film ect) viewable for broadcast and for dvd. i thought i had the answer until i read sumthing else. I;d luv to delve into the nitty gritty understanding (and will conitue to TRY) but right now i kinda just want a quick answer.

i know the best thing due to reading here is 24p on 60i timeline, and 24pa on 24p timeline.
this is true for broadcast and dvd?
I onyl ask cuz i read sumthing awhile ago that basicall said "Bottom line, 24P regular is best for your project if you anticipate your finished movie going straight to home viewing. "
"The 24P advanced mode is definitely more for the projects that will ultimately end up on the big screen. "

and

"Most home televisions are interlaced televisions anyway and cannot provide true 24P. The only way for someone to view a movie at home in true 24P would be if they had a progressive scan LCD television along with a progressive scan DVD player or simply had one of those $1000.00 progressive scan DVD projectors."


i edit with pp cs3 so it removes thepulldown automatically i beileve. I'm in an Mosty SD world with most homes having SD tv sets. Few i'd say have16:9 HD sets. My stuff is intended for broadcast (output back to tape or dvd depending on what they want) and also for dvd distribution hopefully.
So what do i shoot on?
Oh and i dont know if i asked this already...but whats the difference ( if any) in look of 24p edited on 60i timeline, and 24pa edited on 24p timeline?
 
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blackdogs377 said:
jambredz, record in 24PA, edit on 24p timeline, export 29.97fps vids with 2:3 pulldown :) problem solved
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Actually- I think you can go 24PA, edit in the 24P timeline, then export as need be for the ultimate destination--- right?

Supposing there may be a bump to film in the future of the work- you'd be set then.

I THINK!
Correct me if I'm wrong- of course.
 
NoNoob said:
Actually- I think you can go 24PA, edit in the 24P timeline, then export as need be for the ultimate destination--- right?

Supposing there may be a bump to film in the future of the work- you'd be set then.

I THINK!
Correct me if I'm wrong- of course.
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That is correct. If you have 24p material, edit it as 24p regardless of your final output. You retain all options. You can export at 23.976 or at 29.97. You can output to film, DVD, web, broadcast, whatever you want.

Your options are much more limited if you edit as 29.97.
 
jambredz said:
I onyl ask cuz i read sumthing awhile ago that basicall said "Bottom line, 24P regular is best for your project if you anticipate your finished movie going straight to home viewing. "
"The 24P advanced mode is definitely more for the projects that will ultimately end up on the big screen. "
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Every time I see someone dredge this up again, I just want to screeeeaaaam.

(Not your fault, jambredz.)

Needless to say, this is not good information.

Anything about DVD players not being able to play DVDs pertains to technology that's several years obsolete. Any DVD player can play a 24p DVD to any TV.


Oh and i dont know if i asked this already...but whats the difference ( if any) in look of 24p edited on 60i timeline, and 24pa edited on 24p timeline?
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You may notice differences in transition cadence, including fades; you definitely will notice a difference in the movement of anything you might add, like text, or video-in-video, or animated transitions. It may clash with the movement cadence of your underlying 24p footage.
 
thanks as per usual David.

does exporting back to mini dvd tape yeild better results (quality) than dvd...Or its the same?
 
You mean for viewing? Properly done, it's about the same when viewed on a standard TV. DVD is more convenient, though, and can be played progressively; from tape, it'll always be interlaced and may show interlace artifacting on a progressive screen.
 
David Jimerson said:
Every time I see someone dredge this up again, I just want to screeeeaaaam.
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About the screaming (in frustration) part.
Just remember this; the bus is moving along, there will always be late arrivals.

Granted, 'search' is a good thing to do- but one cannot enter into an ongoing dialog (such as was seen in this thread).
We learn as we go, and we (late arrivals) seek wisdom from the enlightened ones.

As far as I'm concerned, David- yo-da-man!
thanks.
 
yeh i definately am a late arrival and some stuff is hard for me to get...but i really do appreciate the help u guys dish out...especially David, as he has patiently answered many of my questions. And he did clarify the"screaming" part so its all good:) When i get proficient and turn big i'll have u guys to thank, cuz dvxuser is 90% of my resource

"nuff respek"....as we would say in Jamaica:D
 
NoNoob said:
About the screaming (in frustration) part.
Just remember this; the bus is moving along, there will always be late arrivals.

Granted, 'search' is a good thing to do- but one cannot enter into an ongoing dialog (such as was seen in this thread).
We learn as we go, and we (late arrivals) seek wisdom from the enlightened ones.

As far as I'm concerned, David- yo-da-man!
thanks.
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The reason I want to scream is because so much bad information is floating around out there. A new person can't help but find it.
 
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