DVX100, PD170, FX1, XL2, DSR570-side-by-side

Re: DVX100, PD170, FX1, XL2, DSR570-side-by-side

[quote author=astroanalyst link=board=news;num=1100523512;start=15#18 date=11/20/04 at 04:32:08]Walter,
I went to your website and you are obviously shooting the 'real stuff'...  What camera do you use to shoot those inverviews for network or cable tv...?    Your are comparing all of these cameras at this price point but would you ever use these cameras for doing pro work?

I already have a dvx but can it deliver an image that you would be happy with on network television?
-astro[/quote]

I work in many formats. Primary for television we use Betacam. I also own a Panasonic Varicam HD camera. I also shoot stuff with professional DVCAM cameras. Would I ever use these cameras you speak of for pro work? Sometimes I do. I've used my DVX100 for some shots in various programs. It's not the camera that determines what is used, but the format, and then the acceptability of the camera in that format. For instance, I shoot many programs for ITN in the UK. They shoot PAL DV. But they will not accept any cameras below a DSR570. 1/3 chips are great but they are not very much accepted for many programs unless it's some sort of auxiliary shot.  If they are it's usually about cost. Some cable shows simply don't have the budget for more so they will accept less. And for others it's simply their decision. I am shooting a new series for the Fine Living Channel now (one of HGTVs channels). We are shooting Betacam. It could easily be DVCAM but the company wants Betacam. But some programs on cable are shot with less costly cameras and do just fine. I think American Choppers uses DVX100s. While you can see the differences around the edges if you have the eye, it works just fne.
 
Re: DVX100, PD170, FX1, XL2, DSR570-side-by-side

I'm coming out of the audio industry where my $60,000 analog tape machines were replaced by a Mac running Pro Tools.

I don't mind spending $15,000 on a camera if the camera is going to be around awhile....

Do you forsee the cheaper formats...ie 1/3" CCD cameras advancing to a point where they will become very competitive with the higher priced cameras? Enough to upset there market share?

Or will there always be a gap between prosumer and pro?

I think you already answered this question in an indirect way by saying that "American Choppers" is shot with a DVX... the boundry between prosumer and pro has already been crossed!
-Astro
 
Re: DVX100, PD170, FX1, XL2, DSR570-side-by-side

[quote author=astroanalyst link=board=news;num=1100523512;start=15#21 date=11/21/04 at 13:10:20]Do you forsee the cheaper formats...ie 1/3" CCD cameras advancing to a point where they will become very competitive with the higher priced cameras?  Enough to upset there market share?

Or will there always be a gap between prosumer and pro?

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It has to stay separate for the companies to market their products properly. In your case, it wasn't TASCAM that came out with pro tools, it was another company moving in to the arena. Companies like Sony knows the limitations it must put on equipment it makes and markets them with terms and features that separate the equipment so there is a distinction between pro and consumer. CBS isn't going to adopt the DVX100 for it's acquisition tomorrow but that doesn't mean MTV isn't going to save a bundle by shooting s show on DVCAM. There are professional formats and equipment that these companies consider. The folks who sell professional stuff to professionals offer equipment that fits who they are selling to and that is one of the separators for what folks use and don't use. As much as BH likes to think they are a professional seller, they are not. I am talking about companies that sell regularly to the networks. Professional formats are more robust than consumer machines, offer more ins and outs and communication parameters that allows machines to talk to each other better. In your case the question is do you want $15k quality. There is certainly a difference and that is one of the things that maintains a baseline standard for day to day television operations.
 
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