DVX"300" and GH5s vs. Sony Z280

bfjewett

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With the nearly $7,000 Sony Z-280 delivery (this month?) - a fixed-lens three-1/2"-chip camcorder that [unlike FS5] shoots 4:2:2 10-bit 4K video, one wonders what a future DVX300 (my definition: GH5s in DVX200 form factor/functionality) would have to offer that is "better." I'd still say rather a lot ...

Though 3 chips should offer better color, the difference in sensor size vs. MFT should yield large differences in noise and DOF/bokeh - true? For the stated ENG/run-and-gun use, I suppose smaller DOF is advantageous if you don't want to be oft-refocussing with active subjects (if you don't want/trust autofocus).

It is impressive to see Sony jump out with such a fixed-lens camera, though I'm a little surprised to see the three chips were 1/2". While the somewhat (?) arbitrary recommendations from the EBU (see page 11 of this: https://tech.ebu.ch/docs/r/r095.pdf) for their UHD2 tier 1 are no smaller than 2/3", they are OK for tier 2. I suppose we'll have to see real-world tests of the Z280 to know what it really has to offer.

I've been hoping for a "DVX300" with the GH5s multi-aspect sensor, excellent 400-Mbps all-I codec and all the other things that make the GH5s a nice camera for its form-factor. I just wish it was a camcorder, so I wouldn't have to franken-rig (small-rig?) it to get all the goodies incl. switches, ND, XLRs etc. Speaking of the GH5s, the EBU evaluation of the GH5s put it as UHD2 tier 2, but with some asterisks ... perhaps it could have ranked even more highly if not in the tested GH5s 4:3 mode, leading them to conclude "the UHD performance is reasonable for a Bayer-patterned sensor, but not really good enough for high-end television production" (@ Newsshooter article).

There is no DVX300 yet (unfortunately) which leaves me wondering about rigged GH5s vs. still-vaporware BMPCC vs. Sony Z-280 (arguably the EVA1 is a different category when lens and other costs added). For a much larger sensor and Panasonic/Blackmagic's color science, I'd pass on the Sony though there is much to recommend it, thus all the reviews saying "it checks most/all the boxes." Since the real-world testing of the BMPCC is yet to come, and with reliability, FPN and delayed shipping concerns of prior BM cameras, I don't think I'll wait on the BMPCC even with all the boxes it checks. This leaves the somewhat pricy GH5s (esp. with added items) as it has been well reviewed.

What do you all think? Some has said the BMPCC is a GH5s killer and I seriously doubt that, but time will tell. I still want my DVX300!
 
There is no DVX300 yet (unfortunately) which leaves me wondering about rigged GH5s vs. still-vaporware BMPCC vs. Sony Z-280

The BMPCC is not vaporware. It exists. You can pre-order it now. The company has a track record for delivering the products they announce, albeit usually delayed. Vaporware refers to products which are announced early but never actually make it out of the development stage and into production. For example, the original Red Scarlet concept ("3K for 3K").

Also, you reference page 11 of a linked article that only has 10 pages.

Each of these cameras you've mentioned have very different purposes, and I don't think any of them really go head-to-head.
 
Personally I hope the "DVX300" will actually be more like an "AF300" and finally give a proper successor to the AF100! As the EVA1 isn't it, unless they ship an EVA1 MFT variant.

The BMPCC is not vaporware. It exists. You can pre-order it now. The company has a track record for delivering the products they announce, albeit usually delayed. Vaporware refers to products which are announced early but never actually make it out of the development stage and into production. For example, the original Red Scarlet concept ("3K for 3K").

The BMPCC has been out for years. I own one, had it for forever, use it all the time.

I think he means the BMPCC4K, which is a real camera people have touched and felt and handled, even sneaked out footage they've shot with it.

BMD has never announced a camera and not announced it? (which happens to everyone! Even a big brand name like Nikon has done this, I mourn the missing Nikon DL series :-( ) Although BMD has sometimes announced slightly different specs from the shipping camera as they weren't able to achieve their goals (like happened with the Micro Cinema Camera).
 
Blackmagic has announced multiple products and features in the past that never made it.

Most known and wanted...the 4.6K turrets for the big URSA.

The various other big URSA 2014 models (as a standalone recording deck or a broadcast camera) never made it. This idea actually turned into the UMP.

Global shutter for the 4.6K never made it.

No GS for the micro cinema.

The micro cinema was also supposed to have control via the BM Assist but never did.

Probably some other little things like the addition of AVID's codecs in some cameras.
 
Most known and wanted...the 4.6K turrets for the big URSA.

That wasn't a camera though, just an upgrade option.

Don't think BMD have announced a camera they didn't deliver upon.

But missing target feature sets etc is just pretty normal for many companies.
 
Don't think BMD have announced a camera they didn't deliver upon.

Well, I named two in that same post, ha...the URSA recording deck (which was called 'URSA HDMI') and the broadcast version of it (which is now the UMP URSA Broadcast).

I guess you could argue that they had at least one version of the URSA body available.

But those other 2 were technically separate models available for preorder...never made it though.

The URSA HDMI looked interesting...

URSA HDMI.jpg
 
The BMPCC is not vaporware. It exists. You can pre-order it now.

Absolutely correct. I meant "not yet released" which is Not the same thing at all.

Also, you reference page 11 of a linked article that only has 10 pages.

Right again. I intended a different link ...

Each of these cameras you've mentioned have very different purposes, and I don't think any of them really go head-to-head.

This is of course true but they constitute my personal short-list. For my somewhat unusual needs, a low-light(er) DVX200, or a camcorder-body form of the GH5s, or a better-in-low-light UMP all would be ideal. Unfortunately those are wishes only, for now. I have since read that rumors of an updated DVX200 this year was from a site that ... should not be trusted (even more than most rumors).

The DVX200 dropped to $3500 even at B&H ... but this does not appear to be a harbinger of an updated DVX. Yet.

Thanks for your comments.
 
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