DVD format war

Loki said:
yet I can't for-see optical media suddenly being dropped by the planet when the first decent solution is available.
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Depends on how "decent" it is. VHS was obliterated by DVD over the span of only a few years. And, CDs are taking mighty hits in the face of digital music download.

You quote numbers for what's better, etc.; bitrates and all that. I submit that many, possibly most, consumers don't care; it's convenience they care the most about.
 
yes! what a point to be made DJ....

consumers OFTEN care about convenience... no... wialt... consumers MOSTLY care about convenience than anything else... they don't give a rat's arse about your message or how profound your movie is... they will only watch it if it was on when they sat down... not if the DVD case you made catches their attention... only if it is smack in front of their face... location location location.... it holds true for real estate and it holds true for what we do
 
I own a blu-ray player- actually, a PS3. Couldn't be happier. Unfortunatelly, some of my favourite movies are from Universal/Paramount, like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, and these are HD-DVD exclusive. HOWEVER, the PS3 does such a good job at Uprezzing regular DVD's that, sincerely, I would only consider getting an HD version of the movie if it was a classic. And Current Blu-ray/HD DVD movie libraries are poor in classics...
 
That would probably be mostly about the particular player... I wonder if one would have an advantage though... but again the only difference I would guess exhists hardware wise is the depth issue where Blue Ray might be able to read at shalower depths... not sure if that could play a factor giving all Blue Ray players a small advantage, but I doubt it.


I also hear the PS3 is a killer up-rezzing little monster. Let's face the facts... it is an incredibly advanced console for the time... way faster than the 360... I expect only great things from such avant garde tech :)


I went to Target yesterday and spend the whole time playing FIFA on a 1080 while Michelle yelled at me on the phone to come help her... ooops... hehehe...
 
dvd the war isnt over

dvd the war isnt over

brianluce said:
Anyone know where we're at with the DVD blueray versus HD DVD dust up?

Last I heard HD DVD was rallying off the ropes but Blue ray still had a slight lead.
Costco is selling both players, I think they're about $200 each.
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ok i have followed a bit of dvd wars!!
last month avc microchips started shipping out for use of high definition video on standerd dvd's advanced video codect will resolve a bit of universal drive needs most new blue rays and hd players will play avc dvd's that will look and feel like a blue ray or an hd dvd youll just play a new school dvd (using the same ol dvd duel layer or single)on a hd player of your choice blue or hd.

the next thing is making those avc recorders for any one to use in there home for any 1,000 line hd resolution disk!! you can get 3 ready moldles for less than 250$
but there for use with handy cams like the ones with harddrives only like sony hand helds and canons too professional avc is barly rising to the surface by next year youll have an option to put off blue ray hd burning for less !!!!

basicly soem hd material is allready in avc youll just thinks ist blue ray or hd dvd itd just a newer codect for the old dvd disk!!!
mike d
 
joemiked said:
ok i have followed a bit of dvd wars!!
last month avc microchips started shipping out for use of high definition video on standerd dvd's advanced video codect will resolve a bit of universal drive needs most new blue rays and hd players will play avc dvd's that will look and feel like a blue ray or an hd dvd youll just play a new school dvd (using the same ol dvd duel layer or single)on a hd player of your choice blue or hd.

the next thing is making those avc recorders for any one to use in there home for any 1,000 line hd resolution disk!! you can get 3 ready moldles for less than 250$
but there for use with handy cams like the ones with harddrives only like sony hand helds and canons too professional avc is barly rising to the surface by next year youll have an option to put off blue ray hd burning for less !!!!

basicly soem hd material is allready in avc youll just thinks ist blue ray or hd dvd itd just a newer codect for the old dvd disk!!!
mike d
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I'm either going insane or have developed dyslexia because I have no idea what this post means...

Anyone?
 
aparently there are going to be new players that will play HD off regular DVDs and they will use a new codec... ? but then after that he lost me too...

then agian I don't trust I got the first part right either... that looks like notes you'd take on college... lol... only you would understand them... hopefully... lol...


JoeMiked, please say that whole thing again... without the dozen cups of coffee, lol...
 
OK i do like my coffee yeah boyeeeeee caffeine make me blah blah
OK DVD is making a comeback with a high resolution solution

professional avc (advanced video codect) the old dvd disk is making use of itself by evolving torwards more horizontal lines that will fit on disk with out using alot of space
i think the wrtting laser in the dvd burner can write these files but a-blue laser
(blueray)can only read it or hd dvd player


ol school dvd new school players

just search avc-hd


the worlds most usable disk storage just got more usable
more dvds were purchased than any other format know to man kind!


mike d
"less is more"
 
ok, I get it now... but what are the chances of it working and fitting equal quality on such little space (I mean it can't be much more than 4.7GB...) also we'd have to wait and see this codec


on the side, the DVD was most used but whatever comes next will likely beat it as more info is made and shared than the day before and this is happening at an exponential rate... though I do like the form factor of a DVD... though little dongles or tiny but real tough cards would beat the breakable opticals...
 
Blu-Ray has had a lot of disc problems in the past year.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/new...y_Problems_Replacement__Program_Expected/1293

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/new...ner_Blu-ray_Suffers_Manufacturing_Glitch/1290

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/new...l_Blu-ray_Disc_Exchange_Details_Revealed/1284

It's annoyed a lot of consumers, while HD-DVD has not had as many stumbling blocks. I bought an HD-DVD player. It was a couple hundred bucks, and I've already bought Kubrick and Battlestar Galactica season 1. The picture quality is great, especially in 1080P. If Blu-Ray wins in a few years, I'll pick up a player, but for now I'm content.

And Blu-Ray picked the dumbest name for their product. Blu-Ray as a brand name doesn't make you think of HD, it sounds like a fish name. HD-DVD could win this format war just on the name alone. HD + DVD = HD-DVD. The consumer will get that immediately.
 
oh yeah if you go to the kids toy section in any store youll find cartoons and kids
programs on flash media cards all ready packaged up so when the kids get older thell have the system under thumbs thell pop in there favorite programs and veiw em on portable devices mini p2s with interactive media menus
the cost of production of these memory cards are still more than dvds untill that goes down .
there was the quantem computer hoax a few years back at nab or soem big tech show soem solid state computer laptop and a laser camera system no optic cams
uses a laser ,but the solid state memery is up and most current now

you can get soem flash card vcr recorders now!
mike d
 
DJ is right about convenience. What are consumers going to want more than blu ray & hd dvd? Apple tv. Movies on their remote. They don't want to get up and put in a blu ray disc over an hd dvd disc. They don't to *get up*. That's where your money is. When they can sit down, think about which movie they want to see and then press a button to start playing it, they'll take that over which player has more throughput or whichever bitrate is highest. They don't care. They just want to watch it.
 
Isaac_Brody said:
And Blu-Ray picked the dumbest name for their product. Blu-Ray as a brand name doesn't make you think of HD, it sounds like a fish name. HD-DVD could win this format war just on the name alone. HD + DVD = HD-DVD. The consumer will get that immediately.
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Blu-Ray actually sounds like a new product. Its name makes perfect sense... referencing the 'blue' 'ray' of light used in the blue laser diode.

The name works great as a marketing incentive to differentiate the product from normal DVDs.. even if they are basically the same as an HD-DVD.

You should change your header too:

"Warner Bros. has F**ked up many of their Blu-Ray discs this past year." It'd be very accurate..
 
Loki said:
Blu-Ray actually sounds like a new product. Its name makes perfect sense... referencing the 'blue' 'ray' of light used in the blue laser diode.
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I know what it refers to, but Joe Consumer doesn't care about that. Joe Consumer isn't going to tell they're friends about Blu-Ray and how it references the blue laser. That's a stretch. It's a clunky name that is an uphill battle to build a brand with.

And it's not just Warner Bros titles, Fox titles have had disc issues too. The press issues concerning disc issues has all been "here we go again, another blu-ray disc problem." And not every consumer will take the time to research either when it comes to these problems.
 
Hmm, thats strange, I think sometimes just sometimes we think Joe bloggs is similar to Homer Simpson, but I think they are not that stupid. :)

I mean here in the UK at least, ask most people on the street about what "Blu Ray" is, and most of them know its a "High Defintion Disc Thingy"

Now that may be down to advertising I don't know.
 
It isn't that Joe Schmoe is too stupid to know the difference, it's that he doesn't *care*. Okay the laser is blue, so what? You don't watch the laser, you watch the movie. Who cares what color the laser is? I don't care if it's gold with little specks of green and emits the smell of bacon as it works, it's all inside the magic box and as long as that box spits out the movie I want to see when I want to see it, I could give two fruits and a lamb how it does it.
 
Isaac_Brody said:
I know what it refers to, but Joe Consumer doesn't care about that. Joe Consumer isn't going to tell they're friends about Blu-Ray and how it references the blue laser. That's a stretch. It's a clunky name that is an uphill battle to build a brand with.

And it's not just Warner Bros titles, Fox titles have had disc issues too. The press issues concerning disc issues has all been "here we go again, another blu-ray disc problem." And not every consumer will take the time to research either when it comes to these problems.
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I wouldn't call it an uphill battle.. not with all the support the format has. But I digress..

I never said Joe Consumer cared about what kind of laser a product uses... I was merely just stating the reasoning behind the name.

Personally I am fine with a few roll out problems. Blu-Ray IMO launched too early.. only because it needed to compete.. which is a shame..

It doesn't make a difference... if we are thinking about 'Joe Consumer' in the same way.. they aren't the people affected by the problems.. nor do they know about or even care as you stated..

I don't see HD-DVD / Blu-Ray as a mainstream product for at least 3 years... so most of this talk about Joe consumer is useless.

My interest in Blu-Ray is two fold... which is why I am proponent of the format. If it were merely just for Movies.. i couldn't care less..either looks fine..

but anywho...
 
David Jimerson said:
Depends on how "decent" it is. VHS was obliterated by DVD over the span of only a few years.
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Well, that also depends on your definitions of "obliterated" and "a few".

It took more than five years for DVD players to arrive in 50% of US households. That's the fastest adoption rate in the history of consumer technology, yes -- but VHS didn't "disappear" in that time frame. It took over eight years before DVD was dominant enough that Blockbuster quit renting VHS titles.

Now, in the course of history, yes -- this is an incredibly short time period. But consider that eight years is a *long time* for those of us in the business right now, and consider that high-def DVD players have been on the market for only one year so far... and then combine that with the notion that while DVD players worked with everyone's televisions on day one, the extreme majority of US households don't even have an HDTV yet and so they aren't even in the market for a high-def DVD player. So it might be a *much* longer time before high-def DVDs become a universal distribution platform - if ever.
 
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