DVCPRO HD in palmcorders

braw

braw

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Not really, just wanted to show that previous predictions about HDV being a consumer format is about right:

HDR-HC1
 
This will be the handheld HD complementing my HVX 200.
Or panny should announce a HVX 100 now without the 200's
DV drive and deliver it together with the HVX200.
 
I find the timing of this camera's announcment peculiar. The fact that it's HDV and the supporting specs (including CMOS) doesn't surprise me. What interests me though, aside from the fact the release feels a bit rushed, is the positioning of this camera. Is Sony just trying to flood the market and quickly cash in, or is this a part of a larger scale strategy?
Ahhhh there are always larger scale strategies, and like money to evil, Sony appears to be at the root of them all.

On a side note: I was wondering if there were ever any threads started on these boards about Panasonic's involvement with Blu-Ray development?
 
I saw this camera on a different site. Might make a cool back-up camera, but from what I saw, it is not worth $3500, IMO.
 
Ah...it makes me feel good about waiting for the HVX. Anyone who doubted that HDV will be primarily a consumer format can now eat it. A nice cute HDV handy cam for all the nice families out there who want to record little Timmy at his little league game. I imagine the price of this little camera will drop like a rock too. This camera makes me laugh. Kind of a sadistic evil laugh...but a laugh none the less.
 
I wonder if JVC is mad now? Now that everybody is truly laughing and calling HDV a *consumer* format.....wonder if that might hurt JVC's HD100 sales in the long run?

~reservoir~
 
If I was JVC I'd be pissed. They are actually trying to make ProHD(HDV) a professional format. Their new camera is going to have tons of professional options. Then here comes good old Sony crapping up the market with a consumer camera.

Then again, I'd already be pissed if I was JVC or Sony anyway. DVCPro HD on the HVX anyone?
 
Digigenic said:
Is Sony just trying to flood the market and quickly cash in, or is this a part of a larger scale strategy?
Ahhhh there are always larger scale strategies, and like money to evil, Sony appears to be at the root of them all.
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I think Sony just is trying to brute force HDV into everyone... because right now thats all you get, but soon with the HVX you will hafta choose your HD format.. DVCproHD or HDV, and i think Sony doesnt to loose.
 
Digigenic said:
What interests me though, aside from the fact the release feels a bit rushed, is the positioning of this camera. Is Sony just trying to flood the market and quickly cash in, or is this a part of a larger scale strategy?
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I don't think there's much peculiar about it at all. It looks like a very similar strategy to their DV camera strategy.

Z1 = PD150
FX1 = VX2000
HC1=TRV900
A1U (or whatever the pro version of the HC1 is called) = PD100

The PD100/TRV900 were very small 3-chip cameras, less expensive and much smaller than the top-of-the-line PD150/VX2000. The HC1/A1U are somewhere around half the price of the FX1/Z1 (although they're one-chip, but CMOS, so the parallel isn't exactly the same...)

I do absolutely, fully expect that we'll see $999 one-chip HDV cameras by the end of this year, and when Sharp gets in the game, we'll see $299 HDV cameras by the end of next year.

I also expect that we'll see a more-expensive HDV camera from Sony sometime in the next six months, something akin to the DSR250, probably costing about $7,500. And no, it almost guaranteed won't have 24P -- it'll be the same basic design as the Z1, but shoulder-mount and able to take large tapes. Just comparing parallels from what they did in the DV arena, and assuming that they'll do the same thing with their HDV cameras.
 
something akin to the DSR250, probably costing about $7,500. And no, it almost guaranteed won't have 24P -- it'll be the same basic design as the Z1, but shoulder-mount and able to take large tapes
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Wow...that would truly suck to get ripped by Sony on that. Pay the usual Sony *PREMIUM* price......then still no 24p. Ouch!!

~reservoir~
 
WEVA members may be in luck with this whole "HDV" thing.

WEVA members may be in luck with this whole "HDV" thing.

Putting HDV on a full size tape would be the longest runtime (184 minutes) for any HD camera. . .

the event videographers will have found a new babe.
 
All that makes the HVX the only DVCPRO HD cam around at an affortable price?! How many local stations will just sing the song they are now chanting waving all their pd150s? Sony is pushing HDV hard enough to make it pop into every producers thoughts.
There are Low cost High End NLEs for HDV, all the tape thing is talked over, they sold lots (what was it 35.000 or what) of their first shippement of HDv cams...

To me these new cams are just flattening out the market for Sony.
 
Philipp said:
they sold lots (what was it 35.000 or what) of their first shippement of HDv cams....
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Depends on who you want to believe - Sony, or Sony. Because they've said two very different, completely incompatible things.

In their pre-NAB press kit, produced in February, they said they expected to have shipped 6,000 units of HDV product by April 18th. That isn't just cameras, that would presume decks as well... FX1s, Z1s, and decks.

Now people are reporting that Sony actually said at NAB that they've "delivered" 35,000 "units of HDV product". And yet a quick spot-check of a reseller shows that while Z1 and FX1 sales are doing well, they're still selling three DVXs for every Z1 or FX1 sold. No way did Sony actually sell 29,000 more cameras in two months than they predicted they would. That would mean missing the mark by not just a little, but by 5 times as much! And that would certainly be something that resellers would notice.

So where's the truth? Well, I've been around P.R. and marketing long enough to recognize a few key words. They said they "delivered" 35,000 units, not that they "sold" those units. There may be tons and tons of stock sitting in B&H's warehouse, unsold to consumers so far, for all we know. But the most curious word in there is HDV "product." Know what that says to me? Says they're including sales of HDV TAPE in their figures. So maybe they did sell the 6,000 units they expected to. And maybe they delivered another 2,000 that are sitting on dealer shelves. And maybe they sold 27,000 blank tapes. And their marketing department put it all together and said "hey, we could claim that we've delivered 35,000 'units' of HDV 'product'!"

But I don't believe for one second, not one heartbeat, that they've sold and delivered 35,000 FX1s and Z1s into consumer's hands. Not only would it be unprecedented, but it would directly ridicule their previous claim that they would only deliver 6,000 by April 18th.
 
Barry personally should be able to keep pretty good track of how many DVX's are selling considering his book/dvd are in the box... So, do the math: If DVX's are outselling FX1's by 3:1, and Sony sold 29,000 cameras in two months, then Barry must have sold around 90,000 DVX books and would be a multi-millionaire in under eight weeks. Sorry things didn't go down that way, Barry.

I don't believe for one second Sony has sold 35,000 HDV camcorders or decks or any combination of the two. That's just marketing smoke/mirrors.
 
The Tapes! Dah! 'course! Those lousy DVCAM tapes the announced as "special HDV tapes". Well that makes sense. Let it be some odd 10.000 cams. That should be OK for the first few months in a market like this.

Barry, what did they tell you the numbers were? (whisper asside: We add another 50% and that would be the real numbers ;)
 
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