I'm just going to start off by saying that I did not know really where to post this and i thought that this would be fairly apropriate here, because I film with a DVX. I have just recently started filming a very talented skier in my area, and he will be very soon going pro, and he rides for one of the many ski/snow/skate shops around my area. After filming for a few days, I was approached by the manager of the snow/ski team of the shop. He asked if i could put the shops logo in the edit or even make a shop intro for it. I was kinda skeptical about this, because i feel that the shop should pay me for putting there label/intro in the video. I'm not quite sure seeing as though this is my first time filming for anyone, besides my friends, and I'm only 15 so I'm quite naive when it comes to this. I would like to know if they should pay me, and if so how much? Thanks in advance for the help.
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pulpfiction007
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I think you should be getting paid most certainly...just tell them you would love to do the intro and that your fee is X amount of dollars. Sounds reasonable to me.
Understand you're 15 and understand that doesnt make you incapable. But how capable are you to do this to a quality level they'll be happy with? This is the first time? As in you've never shot anything with anything before?
No, I have filmed quite a bit, just not for a shop/company, and I think that they'll be happy with the quality, because they have seen my videos before, so why else would they be asking to put there logo/intro in my video?
Ask them for compensation. If they don't have a budget, then they don't have a budget; you should still be able to swing free gear out of the deal. Most of the bicycle companies I've done work for have zero budget for edits of the non-professional riders that they flow gear to, but that doesn't mean that I don't make anything off it.
Interesting question. . .
If he "rides for" doesn't that mean he's "sponsored by" the shop - and doesn't that mean he's all ready "pro" ??
I'm thinking your answer might hinge around the potential use they want to make of it. Since they're all ready sponsoring him, it would seem reasonable to suggest they put their logo on his apparel. If they want to use this video for advertising purposes with some type of promotional message, that's a completely different fish and compensation would certainly be called for.
More thoughts - I'm assuming you have releases from him - but if he's under a formal contract with the sponsor(s) that may not be enough.
Best see if there's fine print lurking in the background.
And Kudo's for being smart enough to ask these kinds of questions . . . .
Love to see some footage btw . . .
Best wishes
If he "rides for" doesn't that mean he's "sponsored by" the shop - and doesn't that mean he's all ready "pro" ??
I'm thinking your answer might hinge around the potential use they want to make of it. Since they're all ready sponsoring him, it would seem reasonable to suggest they put their logo on his apparel. If they want to use this video for advertising purposes with some type of promotional message, that's a completely different fish and compensation would certainly be called for.
More thoughts - I'm assuming you have releases from him - but if he's under a formal contract with the sponsor(s) that may not be enough.
Best see if there's fine print lurking in the background.
And Kudo's for being smart enough to ask these kinds of questions . . . .
Love to see some footage btw . . .
Best wishes
Well the reason I posed the question was so I could understand the situation better. But clearly youre above my help.
Well, he is not considered "pro" because he does not compete in "pro" contest such as the Dew Tour, or the x-games, he just gets flow from them its not a full on sponsorship, there are plenty of athletes that are sponsored but amateur athletes. and here is the some of the footage from the other day, the rider Freddy was just interested in viewing the footage, its all just raw footage, http://vimeo.com/17981076 the password is preview if you want to watch it
Not to sound mean or anything, but you've really got to work on varying your angles a bit. I mean, obviously, that's going to be better once you've added music and edited it tighter, but there isn't much variety there in terms of the way you're shooting it.
Anyway, here's an example of my work doing this sort of thing. Team edit of a flow rider, with a simple title and whatnot. Nothing fancy.
Anyway, here's an example of my work doing this sort of thing. Team edit of a flow rider, with a simple title and whatnot. Nothing fancy.
j
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I say, put the logo in as a favor, but don't bother with the intro. Tell them that to do a dedicated intro would require payment commensurate with how much effort would be involved. Be nice though as they can be a potential client or sponsor of a future video.
Don't expect money this time for just putting in the logo, but look at the situation as though you are grooming a future paid client... They may even refer you to other paid gigs.
Don't expect money this time for just putting in the logo, but look at the situation as though you are grooming a future paid client... They may even refer you to other paid gigs.
Enlight3ned
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If your work is good and they think its good then you should definitely ask for some sort of compensation. If its your first time then don't expect to get a whole lot.
andythefilmer
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Some of my most favorite angles to get in the snow are getting on lifts and shooting the talent like that. Obviously not for every shot, in fact, it should be used sparingly, but it adds a lot of production value. Also, more following shots and angle changes would make it better. Zooming in from far away never hurts either.
First when I started of with my camera and my dream of making commercials and music videos (one day hopefully) I had my fixed prices for everything that I would do.
Did this work out? NO!
Right now, we're having this local tv channel over the web with some short intro films for different stores in town, and some interviews. We can't really demand any payment from small companies that barely gets arround. We can't do it just yet!
If you're not known for them (especially when other companies are their number one choice right now), it's hard to get out cash from it. It is better to make a couple of jobs for free so that you can have a chance to show them what you can do without them taking a "risk" with money. Also, this is an easy way to get a lot of companies in to your resume and list of clients/completed jobs!
Once you've gained more knowledge by all the videos you've shot and have more companies to back you up, then it's easy to put a price tag on your works!
Good luck!
Did this work out? NO!
Right now, we're having this local tv channel over the web with some short intro films for different stores in town, and some interviews. We can't really demand any payment from small companies that barely gets arround. We can't do it just yet!
If you're not known for them (especially when other companies are their number one choice right now), it's hard to get out cash from it. It is better to make a couple of jobs for free so that you can have a chance to show them what you can do without them taking a "risk" with money. Also, this is an easy way to get a lot of companies in to your resume and list of clients/completed jobs!
Once you've gained more knowledge by all the videos you've shot and have more companies to back you up, then it's easy to put a price tag on your works!
Good luck!