DONE! FX1 footage edited in FCPHD...

mjmcneese

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I just finished a project that was shot on an FX1, and edited in FCPHD. My advice to anyone who is thinking about doing this...Don't Do It!!!

Here's what I did...I had to capture the footage using iMovieHD - which sucks. iMovie doesn't 'capture' in realtime. It captures and converts the footage to AIC format in 1/4 realtime. I had 4 hours of tape, so it took more than two days just to capture the footage. No way to log and capture either.

Capturing in iMovieHD gives you an AIC file that's buried in an iMovie Project Package. I moved that over to a media drive, and then imported my 4 hours of HDV into FCP. The cutting part wasn't that bad, after I found the proper settings for the Sequence. So, I get it all cut, do some titles in Photoshop and Livetype in HD resolution. I do all of this with no live monitor. All you have is the canvas window in FCP. Turns out, on scopes the HDV was way dark - only 80% of the brightness that we had when we were shooting. Still don't know what caused this, but some color correction brought it right back to where it was. (BTW, after I finished cutting the client decided that they didn't want to buy a $5000 HD Plasma, so they got an EDTV Plasma, so I didn't even need to cut in HDV anyway...)

So, I have a 'finished' cut. Now, on to DVD. From a 1440x1080 sequence to MPEG2 via Compressor, a 15 minute piece was going to take 20 hours to compress. I didn't have time for that, so I did an output of the sequence to another AIC movie (1 hour). Then I took that movie and converted it to a 720x480 anamorphic AIC movie (3 hours). Then imported that into Compressor and got it out to an MPEG2/Aiff (20 mins). Burned my project in DVDSP3, watched it on TV and...

Suck, the fields were reversed. Couldn't see it on the Canvas monitor, but on an NTSC monitor, it looked like the video was put through a blender. So, back to FCP to figure out where the fields got reversed...it was in my FCP Sequence. So re-render, export, down-rez, and encode, author, and burn the DVD again. Eventually, I got the right formula, and the client was impressed...except for a few changes, of course.

This whole process even sound A LOT easier than it actually was. There was a lot of experimenting. Not to mention the pain of editing 4 hours of footage that isn't logged down to a 15 minute piece. In all, it took me three weeks to get the project out the door - and this is the only thing I've done in those three weeks. I would guess that this edit would have taken no more than 2 days in DV.

I'm not sure how FCPHD5 is going to handle HDV - whether they find a way to edit the native .m2t files, or find a way to do a realtime conversion upon capture to another codec - but, this process sucks.
 
Valiant effort, thanks for saving me the trouble. Gotta wait for fcp5 HD to do it smoothly, I imagine.
 
My question is, you said that they decided not to get an HDTV and went with an EDTV. If they did go with the HDTV, what was your plan on showing the HDV footage on an HDTV?
 
It's not news. I don't know how many times I or other people have posted that IMovie should NEVEr be used. Capture with a free utility or with Lumiere, and then convert with MPEG Streamclip.

Also, why work interlaced? Do everything progressive. It will look great no matter where you play it. No reversed fields and funny stuff like that. The truth is, nobody can work well with fields. The other day I rented a commercial DVD. Any scene with movement and you could see the funny lines. In my opinion they converted from NTSC to PAL and trusted Canopus Pro Coder, JES Deinterlacer, or other funny software that ALWAYS adds interlacing artifacts.

Even if you decide to film interlaced with your DVX, use MPEG Streamclip and deinterlace before editing.
 
why would you shoot interlaced with a DVX and then deinterlace? I personally don't do much with interlaced as well, but deinterlacing DVX footage would just reduce quality, when you could have just shot 30p or 24P to begin with. Now, with the FX1, that is a different case as when you deinterlace you end up with close to NTSC resolution to begin with, but deinterlacing a DVX? Not a good idea. But I am still wondering what HDTV delivery you would be using. A laptop? or straight from the camer?
 
Erm, two questions:

What exactely was the plan to show the DVD with? I am at the moment desperately looking for a DVD player the can read and output HD. And the same search for a Mac App. that converts QT to usable HD stuff.

Second: Are you sure everything was OK with your system? I am doing the same and my times are a lot shorter. I had the impression that iMovie does it in realtime... (2x1.8 G5)
 
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Philipp said:
Erm, two questions:

What exactely was the plan to show the DVD with? I am at the moment desperately looking for a DVD player the can read and output HD. And the same search for a Mac App. that converts QT to usable HD stuff.

Second: Are you sure everything was OK with your system? I am doing the same and my times are a lot shorter. I had the impression that iMovie does it in realtime... (2x1.8 G5)


By reading his originale message, the speed reminds me of my Apple Powerbook G4 which I use for editing HDV footage. But I repeat, I would never use Imovie.
 
Hey man, that sounds like a nice device to have. I have seen a couple of DivX-able DVD players, but I am happy to know that now there are WM9-able ones as well.

The future is coming.
 
Be aware that HDV is UFF, whereas DV is LFF. Also HDV uses the HD standard 709 colorspace, DV and the old JVC camera uses the 601 colorspace. Somewhere in the chain this has to be taken care of. It sounds like the iMovie kludge doesn't .
The best approach as noted is using an intermediate codec, fast to edit and less lossy. HDV is a very loss codec, going down generations is not a good idea.
On a dual 3 GHz Xeon system I get close to RT capture/conversion to the CineformHD codec. Encoding from that to mpeg-2 for SD DVD is about 1.5 times RT, not too bad, encoding to WMV 720p is a bit slower but still acceptable.
Even though it seems easier editing HDV on a PC than a Mac at the moment it's still nowhere near as easy as DV. Given how the story ended a much easier approach would have been to downconvert in the camera/deck to DV25 and captured/edit that. The results although not HiDef are still very respectable. Then again hidnsight is a wonderful thing, I for one would have been shooting some tests first, just to know what I'm getting myslef into.
 
The plan was to output to a DVHS Deck via DVHSCapture or VirtualDVHS. Actually, I got that to work fairly easily. Then we were going to ship the DVHS deck out to their trade show, and send it to a HD plasma via component. If I had known that it was going to be shown in SD 16:9, I think I could have gotten that out of the camera downrezzed, and work with it like DV.

Looking back, there are a lot of things that I would have done differently. iMovie was a bad choice, but I wasn't having any luck with DVHSCap or HDxDV - image was really dark - but I still had that problem with iMovie. If I had to do it all over again, I would have rented a Panny HD1200A VTR, and dubbed up to DVCPROHD tapes, logged and captured into FCP via firewire, and I would have been able to edit 'normally' with a live external monitor. Actually would have been cheaper to rent the deck for 3-4 days than for my company to pay me for three works worth of watching the G5 convert, encode, downrez, etc.

I have a TV show pilot due at the end of Mid-May, coming from 9 hours of HDV footage - I'm not even going to touch it until FCP5 shows up.
 
I have a Philips Divx-capable DVD player at home - it was only like $60 at Target. It will play almost anything, but no HD. Supposedly, NAB will have some HD Divx/WM9 players. But, HDDVD and Blu-Ray can't come fast enough.
 
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