Does the DVX200 have a future?

Design Media Consultants said:
BS - I did not miss crap and understand the point. But stupidity is stupidity, when someone says all the lens means is an extra stop. Duh. Forty years? Maybe you should retire.
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Thanks for the reply however if you read back through the thread you were truly the aggressor. I never attacked you and only stated my own opinion on the lens and some of the practices of the industry.

Anyhow everything is good now, no hard feeling, lets have a truce be friends and have some fun with our DVX.s.

Mike
 
"no hard feeling, lets have a truce be friends and have some fun with our DVX.s."

Hear hear, gentlemen, let's go forward! :thumbup:
 
Naw; frak that! You guys keep fighting. That was entertaining! (munches popcorn) :D

But, seriously: yeah have some fun with your DVX’s. Just not in the same room together. lol Nah, you guys meet you’ll wind up being best friends.

Back to the OT, yeah there is no stopping the extremely capabale DVX200. I am producing a bunch of very nice TV spots for a local school district. I’m sure I’ll post something about it elsewhere in this forum. Viva!
 
hotchkiss said:
My DVX200 has a future.

I'm using it next week, and the week after...and after...
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Yep, I agree for the money there is really not much to choose from - the DVX200 is still holding its own now after a few years.

I'm looking for another camera. I was considering the Canon C200 or the EVA1. Regretfully on the release of the C200 it has raw on Cfast at $1000 an hour for CFast media, and/or only 8bit 4:2:0 on the SD card which is a deal beaker for me. Can't believe Canon would release a camera and shun everyone out of accepted useful formats. I like the EVA1 but Panasonic trying to be competitive, thought no one would notice they left off the EVF, its like selling a car with only 3 wheels!

So if I don't find nothing else another DVX might just fill the spot.

Regards - Mike
 
I’m doing the same thing, Mike. But my most-likely next option would be a full on Blackmagic Ursa Mini Pro kit. However, I could also go for a Sony FS7 as I am getting some eebie jeebies with blackmagic quality control.
 
Yeah been checking out the URSA Mini been hearing some good stuff about it, I've pretty much wore out my Mac watching video's on the big three- C200 EVA1 & URSA.

You might already know but the Blackmagic forum is one of the best sources I've found for the URSA Mini

I really want my next camera to have raw capability -- so my only affordable choices will be the C200 or the URSA.

Regards!
 
JRJphoto said:
I’m doing the same thing, Mike. But my most-likely next option would be a full on Blackmagic Ursa Mini Pro kit. However, I could also go for a Sony FS7 as I am getting some eebie jeebies with blackmagic quality control.
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Have not been keeping up with the EVA1 has there been issues with it? I never buy anything when it first comes out, wait for a shakeout. Thought the EVA1 was supposed to be a great camera in the price range. I was considering it as my next camera.

Are you moving toward the BM Ursa Mini Pro because of its cinematic reputation? That's what I like about it. It has a nice film look in the right hands. The Sony FS7 has proven itself in the broadcast documentary world. I was looking at it before I bought the DVX200 but the price was a little too high. Curious to see what you find out and the direction you are going in. You are more tech knowledgeable than me. LOL - I'll let you do the homework.
 
I think so far only the reviewers have them - I did just get this notice from Panasonic today they are now available now to the everyone. Of course at a price and missing the viewfinder.

Mike


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EVA1 is already in the hands of the first ordererererers. There are already “everyman” “me first” reviews popping up all over. And, yeah, I also don’t buy first generation, or first firmware, necessarily.

And yes I’ve been a member of the Blackmagic forum since 2012 and a fairly regular contributor, though I’ve faded out a bit once the Ursa Minis started shipping and I hadn’t been able to snag one. Got a DVX200 instead as most of my work is video-related.

I’ve shot a few cine projects on Red cameras (One and Epic), but I wouldn’t want to buy one. FS7m2 and the locking E mount tickles me, but I don’t care for the Sony image. I’m not a fan of the Canon C-series ergonomics. I like EVA1 but I don’t like it’s EF mount. All three suffer from the same thing the DVX200 does: they must be Franken-rigged for shoulder use and I don’t really care to go that route anymore.

A full Ursa Mini Pro kit gives me the shoulder mounting and proper EVF with the big brick batteries I’m used to, plus the new addition of the SSD recorder, plus the interchangeable lens mount system, makes it a winner for me. I’m always a little on the ehhhhh side because of the perceived black cloud of iffy BMD quality control, but I’m pretty sure that’s largely a “squeaky wheel gets the grease” style myth.

We’ll see.

As soon as I lean toward an FS7m2 or EVA1, UMP snaps me back into place. After this recent job I’ll be able to afford a long due cinema camera upgrade so...we’ll see.
 
After seeing GH5 footage I would want Panasonic to update the DVX200 with a better lens and image quality/sensor improvement with a new design. A smaller camera with a 10x constant f2.8 zoom would be more useful imho. If one needs a longer lens a 1" chip camera would be a better choice.

The BM Ursa really had my attention until the ISO real world usage info came out. ISO 800 is a bit limiting. If they could get that up to 1600 or 2000 it would be way more useful. Every camera has that gotcha doesn't it? I know there is no perfect camera but I can't believe BM purposefully crippled the camera at ISO 800 just to have a gotcha! Just seems like an add feature of our profession.
 
I'm looking at selling my DVX200, I'm doing it because I really want an
interchangeable camera with 4K 10bit 4:2:2 internally and a smaller form factor.
I love the ease of use of the DVX200, and the built in ND's IBIS, SDI etc are great.
However I am finding that I am leaving it behind and using the GH5 more often.
The camera (for me) is not comfortable to shoot with all day,
and in run and gun situations it really needs a good tripod, which adds to the weight
and extra gear you need to lug around.
For me the lack of 4K 10bit 4:2:2 internally also makes the Log footage difficult to work with and IMO it does suffer from banding.

I'm sure the DVX200 works for many but for me I find the GH5 offers me 90% of what I need at a lower
price (although when you add in lenses and basic rigging the GH5 comes close in price to the DVX200.
But overall I find it a lot easier to shoot with.
I am looking at the EVA1 but am not sold on the cost benefits, when you consider the
basic camera is over four times the price of the GH5 not including lenses or media.

Just my thoughts.
 
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tillhavis said:
I'm looking at selling my DVX200, I'm doing it because I really want an
interchangeable camera with 4K 10bit 4:2:2 internally and a smaller form factor.
I love the ease of use of the DVX200, and the built in ND's IBIS, SDI etc are great.
However I am finding that I am leaving it behind and using the GH5 more often.
The camera (for me) is not comfortable to shoot with all day,
and in run and gun situations it really needs a good tripod, which adds to the weight
and extra gear you need to lug around.
For me the lack of 4K 10bit 4:2:2 internally also makes the Log footage difficult to work with and IMO it does suffer from banding.

I'm sure the DVX200 works for many but for me I find the GH5 offers me 90% of what I need at a lower
price (although when you add in lenses and basic rigging the GH5 comes close in price to the DVX200.
But overall I find it a lot easier to shoot with.
I am looking at the EVA1 but am not sold on the cost benefits, when you consider the
basic camera is over four times the price of the GH5 not including lenses or media.

Just my thoughts.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, the EVA1 looks really good but have you priced and added the cost of the missing EVF?

I'm sure a lot of guys would agree with you on the DVX but for an all around camera; ENG /Studio it will still keep up with a lot of equipment out there at half the price.

I've found out that very few guys really use the DVX for ENG work, so with this in mind, there is always the option of keeping your camera and adding the Atomos Inferno for a grand this would not only give you 4:2:2 4K @10 bits, it would give you unlimited storage and the ability to see your product at the field and take advantage of its Luts, waveform, focus peaking, zebra, false color, parade and vector scope.

I've found that when recording 10 bit Prores, my DVX will keep up with the quality I'm recording internally on my GH5.

On the other hand - most likely you're like any other guy on here - myself included, always looking for a new knob to turn!

Regards - Mike
 
Well I just bought 4 DVX200's for my shop, so yea I still think they are viable. For what we do they are perfect and way better than the PMW-200's they replaced.
 
Mike Mas said:
I really want my next camera to have raw capability -- so my only affordable choices will be the C200 or the URSA.
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But Panasonic says the EVA1 will have 5.7K RAW output to external recorders next year (perhaps in same release as all-I internal?). This would give more options than the aforementioned $1000/hr C200 raw light. So perhaps you can have your cake and ...

Brian
 
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