Does Maverick, York, Etc. give money up front?

shabit87

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I'm doing a feature and researching distribution companies that my film may be successful in getting a deal with. I wanted to know if companies like Maverick Entertainment gave money up front once its agreed that they'll distribute (after the film is finished and submitted)

Thanks in advance for your response.
 
Maverick when they deicde to take your film generally will pay you a set amount of money. The amount is generally pretty low and only good for starting filmmakers. Once they pay you that amount, which takes 3 payments. One on the deal day, one on the release day and another 60 days after the project has been released.
 
that's how maverick works. Jls knows what he's talking about on that one. To get your money from York, I have heard is extremely difficult.
 
yep, in all honesty, there is no such thing as up front. Maverick doesn't even give up front money on deal day anymore... it's crazy.
 
Really? Typically when do you get paid when dealing with Maverick? And does anybody know the amount they usually pay.

I'm in the process of budgeting out what looks to be a $15K action feature which would seem like a safe bet to get your money back assuming the movie turns out any good, but who knows at this point.

www.swayproductions.com
 
Really? Typically when do you get paid when dealing with Maverick? And does anybody know the amount they usually pay.

I'm in the process of budgeting out what looks to be a $15K action feature which would seem like a safe bet to get your money back assuming the movie turns out any good, but who knows at this point.

www.swayproductions.com

R.L. probably knows best, he was the last person to make a deal with Maverick. But shoot your film with larger hopes than Maverick, but you can always use them as a last minute resource if you can't find distribution. Going with a $15K budget is smart, there are other companies which may also take a chance on you for a small payout. Even Rainforest Productions (Stomp the Yard, This Christmas) started out with a small film that only sold for $35K. So we all start somewhere.
 
Hey rlsmall

Just checked out some of your work. Pretty great stuff. Really liked the commerical real. The "Break" commerical was too funny. Heck if you can make your $15K film look like your commerical reel then I'm sure you can get a deal with some pretty big folks.

Just make sure you have a tight screenplay and take your time in shooting. Don't rush. What type of equipment do you plan on using - if you don't mind me asking.
 
Hey Jls4,

Thanks! The "Break" commercial was shot with a Sony EX1 with a Letus adaptor and we made it for about $1K as our production budget using miniatures for the most part. I was the DP, director, and editor. I'm still learning and I think the cinematography could have been much better, but it was a rush job (we only had one week from concept to completion with my partner and I doing all the effects)

We plan to attempt to pull off the action sequences in this feature using the same techniques we used in that commercial. Since then, we've purchased the Canon 5D and 7D with the goal being to shoot the feature on those cameras. We also have access to a car mount rig, a jib, dolly, small Lowell lighting kit, and a doggy cam, so hopefully we can pull off a decent amount of production value.

BTW, I checked out your thread on "Coming Correct" and it looks great! What are your distribution plans with the picture? I'd love to see it.

www.swayproductions.com
 
York doesn't pay anything. Ever. They make the filmmaker provide deliverables and then promise profit after they recoup their supposed $65K in distribution expenses. FYI.

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Hey Jls4,

Thanks! The "Break" commercial was shot with a Sony EX1 with a Letus adaptor and we made it for about $1K as our production budget using miniatures for the most part. I was the DP, director, and editor. I'm still learning and I think the cinematography could have been much better, but it was a rush job (we only had one week from concept to completion with my partner and I doing all the effects)

We plan to attempt to pull off the action sequences in this feature using the same techniques we used in that commercial. Since then, we've purchased the Canon 5D and 7D with the goal being to shoot the feature on those cameras. We also have access to a car mount rig, a jib, dolly, small Lowell lighting kit, and a doggy cam, so hopefully we can pull off a decent amount of production value.

BTW, I checked out your thread on "Coming Correct" and it looks great! What are your distribution plans with the picture? I'd love to see it.

www.swayproductions.com

The commecial looks great to me. In fact there may be benefits to shooting with the EX1 vs the Canon 5D/7D that you may not be paying much attention to especially when it comes to grain the in the blacks. My wife owns a Canon 5D MK2 right now (photographer) but I'm doing my best to get to a EX1 and SGBlade after doing a few tests with the 5D. The 5D is not bad, don't get me wrong, and if I have to shoot with it myself I will. But a lot can be argued about the camera that would cause this thread to quickly get off topic. But if you have an EX1 or access to one, I would suggest you do a lot of tests.

Anyway, as for Coming Correct next week we go to our first film festival. I plan to go and check out what opportunities are there. Hopefully we'll get into more fests and maybe get a possible buyer. I'd rather go that route than try to go direct to Maverick, although it's always a possibility. A few years ago a small feature called Sombodies was made outside of Atlanta. It went to Sundance I think, and although it didn't get distribution, the director picked up an agent who believed in him and got him a TV show based on the Movie. The TV show only lasted 1 season, but you get my point. Agents and distributors come to fests because they want to see someone who can make them some money. So we're just hoping for something that will work out for us and propel us forward. So when you make your movie, just do your best to make the bext movie you can then try a few avenues to see if you can get a great deal. I will tell you that if you can convince a named actor to be in your movie, then it'll be easier for you to sell. Even if you use 50% of your budget on that one actor, it can be worth it in the long run.

Also on the festival concept, recognize that festivals can be political as well. Not all fests, are looking for "up and coming talent" many are simply trying to fill seats. So if your feature has you and your buddies then it may not be thought of as a crowd pleaser, as "not fill seats". But since you're going action, if your action sequences are great then you can probably use that as your "celebrity".

York doesn't pay anything. Ever. They make the filmmaker provide deliverables and then promise profit after they recoup their supposed $65K in distribution expenses. FYI.

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Remember York and Maverick split up years ago. You are correct, York does have a bad reputation of not paying, but Maverick does have a reputation of paying - they just don't pay that much.

Also be warned that neither one of these companies will show you their accounting, so you never know how much they have made off of you. I listened to a podcast about distribution recently (I don't know where so don't ask. :)) but in the podcast the distributor made the mistake of saying that even a small movie can make over a million dollars in sales. So these distributors can do well with small under $100K features.
 
The commecial looks great to me. In fact there may be benefits to shooting with the EX1 vs the Canon 5D/7D that you may not be paying much attention to especially when it comes to grain the in the blacks. My wife owns a Canon 5D MK2 right now (photographer) but I'm doing my best to get to a EX1 and SGBlade after doing a few tests with the 5D. The 5D is not bad, don't get me wrong, and if I have to shoot with it myself I will. But a lot can be argued about the camera that would cause this thread to quickly get off topic. But if you have an EX1 or access to one, I would suggest you do a lot of tests.

Anyway, as for Coming Correct next week we go to our first film festival. I plan to go and check out what opportunities are there. Hopefully we'll get into more fests and maybe get a possible buyer. I'd rather go that route than try to go direct to Maverick, although it's always a possibility. A few years ago a small feature called Sombodies was made outside of Atlanta. It went to Sundance I think, and although it didn't get distribution, the director picked up an agent who believed in him and got him a TV show based on the Movie. The TV show only lasted 1 season, but you get my point. Agents and distributors come to fests because they want to see someone who can make them some money. So we're just hoping for something that will work out for us and propel us forward. So when you make your movie, just do your best to make the bext movie you can then try a few avenues to see if you can get a great deal. I will tell you that if you can convince a named actor to be in your movie, then it'll be easier for you to sell. Even if you use 50% of your budget on that one actor, it can be worth it in the long run.

Also on the festival concept, recognize that festivals can be political as well. Not all fests, are looking for "up and coming talent" many are simply trying to fill seats. So if your feature has you and your buddies then it may not be thought of as a crowd pleaser, as "not fill seats". But since you're going action, if your action sequences are great then you can probably use that as your "celebrity".



Remember York and Maverick split up years ago. You are correct, York does have a bad reputation of not paying, but Maverick does have a reputation of paying - they just don't pay that much.

Also be warned that neither one of these companies will show you their accounting, so you never know how much they have made off of you. I listened to a podcast about distribution recently (I don't know where so don't ask. :)) but in the podcast the distributor made the mistake of saying that even a small movie can make over a million dollars in sales. So these distributors can do well with small under $100K features.
Thought I'd chime in here as a prodcuer and distributor. I've been in distribution since getting ripped off on my foreign on a film in 1991 by Green Communications. Took awhile to get it going and certainly made it impossible to make movies anymore. Finally started getting into Blockbuster, Hollywood etc and was doing fairly well. At the time Doug Schwab of Maverick was my buyer at Blockbuster before starting Maverick. Believe the small companies are not making uber bank on the little films. Where would they be selling to? You can get an idea of what is made by checking out the shelves at Blockbuster and seeing how many copies a film has and extrapolating that over the 3-4000 stores they'll have after closing another 1000 this year. With urban films or specialty the depth of copy may not be across the board at their other stores. So or example some horror film has 3 copies and that goes across the chain or 4000 stores for a total of 12,000 at best. They'll likely be getting between $6-8 per dvd so after duplication, shipping, graphics, printing they'll gross maybe $60k or so. Back when vhs were selling for $60 or more it was a different story. So making much more than $100k on these films with small distributors isn't happening very often. If it was such a rich market you wouldn't have seen so many distributors fail over the years. We have a new release coming out that was shot on 35mm starring C. Thomas Howell called Dead Letters. Hoping others will queue it at Netflix to get our order up. If you have any questions about distribution I'd be happy to try and answer them. Steve Lustgarten. leofilms.com on Twitter @lustgarten.
 
Jls4,

I hear you on the EX1 vs 5D and would love to do some additional tests.

I own an EX1 and at the moment I've been thinking about selling it for a while because in all honesty I feel like the stuff I've been shooting on the 5D and 7D has been either comparable or slightly better than what I've gotten out of the EX1.

That said, the EX1 without a doubt is way easier to use than the 5D and 7D, both of which are quite a hassle when it comes to shooting video. Though I feel like with those cameras I have an easier time lighting and generally tend to work quicker.

Glad to hear about "Coming Correct" and I look forward to seeing it once it's released. I don't necessarily think Maverick is the way for any indie film maker attempting to make a super low budget somewhat commercial film to go; however from the small amount of research I've done it seems like they are one of the few low budget distribution companies that actually pay film makers (albeit a meager sum).

As for getting a "name"; not sure if I'd be able to swing that on a $15K or sub $15K feature but it's certainly something I plan on looking in to.

Lustgarten: Thank you for the info. I'm curious, if you don't mind, about what was the budget of "Dead Letters"? I just added it to my Netflix.
 
Thought I'd chime in here as a prodcuer and distributor. I've been in distribution since getting ripped off on my foreign on a film in 1991 by Green Communications. Took awhile to get it going and certainly made it impossible to make movies anymore. Finally started getting into Blockbuster, Hollywood etc and was doing fairly well. At the time Doug Schwab of Maverick was my buyer at Blockbuster before starting Maverick. Believe the small companies are not making uber bank on the little films. Where would they be selling to? You can get an idea of what is made by checking out the shelves at Blockbuster and seeing how many copies a film has and extrapolating that over the 3-4000 stores they'll have after closing another 1000 this year. With urban films or specialty the depth of copy may not be across the board at their other stores. So or example some horror film has 3 copies and that goes across the chain or 4000 stores for a total of 12,000 at best. They'll likely be getting between $6-8 per dvd so after duplication, shipping, graphics, printing they'll gross maybe $60k or so. Back when vhs were selling for $60 or more it was a different story. So making much more than $100k on these films with small distributors isn't happening very often. If it was such a rich market you wouldn't have seen so many distributors fail over the years. We have a new release coming out that was shot on 35mm starring C. Thomas Howell called Dead Letters. Hoping others will queue it at Netflix to get our order up. If you have any questions about distribution I'd be happy to try and answer them. Steve Lustgarten. leofilms.com on Twitter @lustgarten.

Hey Steve,

Thanks for your input. The more knowledge that we have the better I always say. I wish I could tell you the exact podcast, but I don't remember where it was. This distributor had connections to Video, Sales and Television. So one of their features would easily hit all three. That's why they probably claimed what they did. But at the same time it is also important to note the time and the window of opportunity with the right movie. I mean to one person "The Blair Witch Project" was a straight to video $40K movie, to somebody else it was a $200 Million Dollar Masterpiece. I'll be honest that if I the movie came across my desk, I doubt I would have paid out any "real money" for the project.

It's also no telling how many "names" they required to be in a project before they picked it up. One of the things I was trying to softly say. It's better to have a $2K movie with two actors that cost $13K than to have a $13K movie with actors that cost $2K.

Lets look at some of the movies on DVXuser. The main ones that are selling for any "real money" are in Niche Categories (Christian mainly on this site) or have a named actor involved as at least a supporting cast member.
 
Jls4,

I hear you on the EX1 vs 5D and would love to do some additional tests.

I own an EX1 and at the moment I've been thinking about selling it for a while because in all honesty I feel like the stuff I've been shooting on the 5D and 7D has been either comparable or slightly better than what I've gotten out of the EX1.

That said, the EX1 without a doubt is way easier to use than the 5D and 7D, both of which are quite a hassle when it comes to shooting video. Though I feel like with those cameras I have an easier time lighting and generally tend to work quicker.

Glad to hear about "Coming Correct" and I look forward to seeing it once it's released. I don't necessarily think Maverick is the way for any indie film maker attempting to make a super low budget somewhat commercial film to go; however from the small amount of research I've done it seems like they are one of the few low budget distribution companies that actually pay film makers (albeit a meager sum).

As for getting a "name"; not sure if I'd be able to swing that on a $15K or sub $15K feature but it's certainly something I plan on looking in to.

Lustgarten: Thank you for the info. I'm curious, if you don't mind, about what was the budget of "Dead Letters"? I just added it to my Netflix.

If you sell your EX1 I may buy it, depending on when you sell and the condition. Right now I'm just not happy with the grain in the dark areas of the 5DMk2. I also don't personally like the way the sensitivity is handled. But anyhoo - you have to do what you feel.

I actually like Maverick. It may sound like I don't, but I do. I went to a festival in 2006 (last one I've been to) and every filmmaker there was bashing Maverick. I told a few of them that at least Maverick gives you an opportunity when many people don't. I mean, you don't have to have a famous face AND they let you make a few mistakes to learn the craft. You basically just don't make money on your labor, only on your supplies (if you're smart). But I think Maverick is an asset for those who know how to use the company correctly. I know I've said before I would go back to Doug, it's just that I'd prefer to make more money if possible.

As for getting a name for $15K it is more than possible. We almost had 2 "names" attached that were stronger than the two we did attach. You can also go for up and coming rappers or old school rappers or singers. They are still "names". Believe me having Kool Moe Dee or Doug E. Fresh in your movie is much better than having Bill from around the corner. LOL Musicans (most of them) aren't SAG.
 
As for getting a name for $15K it is more than possible. We almost had 2 "names" attached that were stronger than the two we did attach. You can also go for up and coming rappers or old school rappers or singers. They are still "names". Believe me having Kool Moe Dee or Doug E. Fresh in your movie is much better than having Bill from around the corner. LOL Musicans (most of them) aren't SAG.

Yeah, you have to be creative but it can be done.

Needed to reach out to Kool Moe Dee and Doug E. Fresh for "Battle"...why didn't you suggest that to me before :)

-M
 
Needed to reach out to Kool Moe Dee and Doug E. Fresh for "Battle"...why didn't you suggest that to me before :)

LOL. You can still do it. Write up three or four new scenes, call up their agent and add them. That's what I did for Kaira and Tyler. We watched the movie, cut out some dead scenes and added some new ones.
 
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