Does it matter if my first spec screenplay is high budget????

I'm by no means an expert where matters of investments are concerned, but it has been pointed out to me numerous times in different ways by people who are that many investors, particularly venture capitalists (and we're talking individuals here, not companies), are not interested in playing 'small ball'. According to my more-expert-than-I friends (one is an executive at Citibank), these guys aren't even willing to talk about investments of under a few million. What they're looking to do is *make a killing*, and will make a number of venture capital investments (which means high risk/high reward, as a rule) of a sufficient size *concurrently* so that if only one out of 10 of them 'hits', it'll offset all the losses from the other nine and earn enough more to make the whole thing highly profitable.

This incidentally is the exact paradigm used (at least in the past) in the record business, which is where I have spent much of my career (as a recording engineer). Record companies would sign ten bands for various amounts, maybe averaging $150-300K or so, and *expect* nine of them to tank. Hopefully, #10 is the next Springsteen or whatever, and they clean up overall. Like the VC investors, all losses otherwise get written off for tax advantages. Not that that helps if all 10 tank though - when that happens, the record company/venture capitalist risks going out of business, and this certainly does happen.

But the point is that while many people think the smaller the amount is the easier it will be to obtain outside funding, the opposite, at least for many investors, is the truth.

In order to deal with these bigger players of course, it's only logical to assume that you not only need to be talking bigger budget money, but *very* well organized business plans, general credibility/expertise etc. They expect to lose money on 90% of the deals, but that doesn't mean they're not trying their best to win each and every one. The tricky part (for them) is knowing which of them will succeed, and almost no one can do that consistently. That's why they make 10 bets at a time. If your deal looks promising enough to them, these types will happily give you millions to have a stake in it. If it's too 'small-potatoes' for their plate, they won't even consider it...

I've always found the fact rather interesting...
 
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I'm by no means an expert where matters of investments are concerned, but it has been pointed out to me numerous times in different ways by people who are that many investors, particularly venture capitalists (and we're talking individuals here, not companies), are not interested in playing 'small ball'. According to my more-expert-than-I friends (one is an executive at Citibank), these guys aren't even willing to talk about investments of under a few million. What they're looking to do is *make a killing*, and will make a number of venture capital investments (which means high risk/high reward, as a rule) of a sufficient size *concurrently* so that if only one out of 10 of them 'hits', it'll offset all the losses from the other nine and earn enough more to make the whole thing highly profitable.

This incidentally is the exact paradigm used (at least in the past) in the record business, which is where I have spent much of my career (as a recording engineer). Record companies would sign ten bands for various amounts, maybe averaging $150-300K or so, and *expect* nine of them to tank. Hopefully, #10 is the next Springsteen or whatever, and they clean up overall. Like the VC investors, all losses otherwise get written off for tax advantages. Not that that helps if all 10 tank though - when that happens, the record company/venture capitalist risks going out of business, and this certainly does happen.

But the point is that while many people think the smaller the amount is the easier it will be to obtain outside funding, the opposite, at least for many investors, is the truth.

In order to deal with these bigger players of course, it's only logical to assume that you not only need to be talking bigger budget money, but *very* well organized business plans, general credibility/expertise etc. They expect to lose money on 90% of the deals, but that doesn't mean they're not trying their best to win each and every one. The tricky part (for them) is knowing which of them will succeed, and almost no one can do that consistently. That's why they make 10 bets at a time. If your deal looks promising enough to them, these types will happily give you millions to have a stake in it. If it's too 'small-potatoes' for their plate, they won't even consider it...

I've always found the fact rather interesting...

So I *have* to make a super high budget summer blockbuster in order to get investor money?

Sweet!
 
So I *have* to make a super high budget summer blockbuster in order to get investor money?

Sweet!


No, you, that is you the poster, can't. In fact, unless you are someone who has a proven track record, the likelihood of getting funding is virtually nil.

What you, the poster needs, is to hook up with someone who does have a track record, and then come up with a $10M film idea, that can excite someone with money.

The other way to do it, is to make shorts, work on projects, etc. until finally you make the above mentioned producer connection, (or other worthy in the industry)...

The best you personally probably can do, is fund your own film, put the second mortgage on the house, whatever, make a 'calling card' film, that then gets you a buzz to work from.

But that's for 'making films'... not writing them...

In the case of writing them, I think 'the spec' should always be viewed as a calling card, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be 'saleable', just don't expect a sale... its a zen thing...
 
An artist creates his own moral universe. There is no hell for artists who create for profit over art, unless he chooses to create that hell for himself.
 
An artist creates his own moral universe. There is no hell for artists who create for profit over art, unless he chooses to create that hell for himself.

A person creates their own moral universe? As in there's no right and no wrong? No judge or jury and no religion too? ;)

Yeah, no, it sounds fluttery and poetic but you pretty much just said that it's okay if someone murders and eats people because we each create our own moral universes. IMO we don't create a universe (morally or otherwise) for our species. The universe as I understand it exists without human intervention or thought. I believe that the universe as it pertains to the creation of artists does indeed have its morals.

The universe gives you a gift and then you use that gift to destroy, dumbfound and further cripple a society? You use that gift not to progress and inform your species but just to buy yourself a an $800,000 car?

There are people who misuse power. Talent is power. Using it exclusively or even primarily for personal gain is being morally corrupt. Bad people are the ones who try to convince us that "bad people" don't exist.

What's funny is that I believe hack writers are even more horrific than talented writers who use their talents primarily for profits, because the hack writers are doing doubly bad when they overwhelm the system with their hack efforts and thus disease an entire species while assisting to prevent talented and good writers from positioning themselves in front of the people.

But in the end it's what's remembered that matters, not what's popular, not what's profitable, but what exists in truth after all the gloss has faded. That's where I think good people doing good work exist - in longevity.

IMO
 
I believe that the universe as it pertains to the creation of artists does indeed have its morals.

The universe gives you a gift and then you use that gift to destroy, dumbfound and further cripple a society? You use that gift not to progress and inform your species but just to buy yourself a an $800,000 car?

There are people who misuse power. Talent is power. Using it exclusively or even primarily for personal gain is being morally corrupt. Bad people are the ones who try to convince us that "bad people" don't exist.

What's funny is that I believe hack writers are even more horrific than talented writers who use their talents primarily for profits, because the hack writers are doing doubly bad when they overwhelm the system with their hack efforts and thus disease an entire species while assisting to prevent talented and good writers from positioning themselves in front of the people.

But in the end it's what's remembered that matters, not what's popular, not what's profitable, but what exists in truth after all the gloss has faded. That's where I think good people doing good work exist - in longevity.

IMO

And this is what YOU believe. I may even believe that. But I realize at the end of the day, that is a belief that only exists in my head. It is not a concrete law of the universe. The person who is perfectly content doing hack work for money will probably die a happy man. He will not be punished in the afterlife for doing it. The worst that will be said about him after he is gone is that he made no great contribution to the world. Most people don't. Even the ones that try.
 
Sorry to bother you guys but I have $250M to spend and am looking for a writer who has a good high budget script. Please PM me
 
Sorry to bother you guys but I have $250M to spend and am looking for a writer who has a good high budget script. Please PM me

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i want to direct that!!! :thumbsup:
 
and i always thought the high budget film was the same as the low budget one just with A-list actors and more expensive visual effects...

if anything, chances are by the time the script gets "approved" it would turn into a bad script.

we need more freedom, dammit!!!
 
and i always thought the high budget film was the same as the low budget one just with A-list actors and more expensive visual effects...

More complicated than that - if you are writing for a low budget you have to seriously limit the number of locations and speaking roles - those things cost money. So you might have only 10 speaking roles and only 4-6 locations total. I wrote a film for USA Network where that's what they needed to make their budget (because most of the money was going to TV stars).

But take any low budget script, add a $25 million star and you now have a big budget script.

Yes - after the rewrites where you get that note to put a donkey in the script because some other film had a donkey in it and make a lot of money, they film it. (actual note a friend of mine got!)

- Bill
 
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