JonathanLB
Carbonite Member
Steve, let me understand this... do you agree then that is it moral to commit armed robbery, so long as the proceeds from the theft go to help the 'needy'? Because that's what universal healthcare is.
I think one important factor that Socialized medicine and socialized anything overlooks is that in such a system, which punishes achievers and rewards leeches, the achievers will soon lose interest in their former ambitions and too becomes leeches. Once all of the achievers give up due to lack of fulfillment in a Socialist system, the entire of society will fall back into the Dark Ages. Is that what you want? Because that's what such a system ultimately leads to.
In a Laissez-faire Capitalist system (never before seen in America, except maybe some aspects of it prior to 1863), the market punishes wrongdoers and rewards those who do right by their customers. It has natural built in safeguards that filter out the bad businessmen and lets remain only the best businessmen with the best value of services/products.
As it is in Nature, so society needs to be, because it is the way that is harmonious with human nature. Government beyond the three moral purposes I mentioned earlier, is antithetical to human nature; as such, it will always be in violent conflict with humans. I don't know about you, but I would not want to live in a society full of retarded cripples, because we protected that which nature would have naturally eliminated. In fact, it is cruel to keep such persons alive when they cannot enjoy a life where they have the physical and mental ability to pursue and reach their full potential. It is monstrous to keep such persons alive, and criminal to do it by forcing others to pay for their life support care.
BTW, I am glad to see a few Objectivists here in the forum. At least two of you have the correct moral and political view, as expressed in your responses.
Completely, 100% agree -- this is exactly right.
Healthcare is a right? Healthcare isn't part of capitalism? You have to be really naive to think that. What the hell are you even smoking over there?! So let me get this straight, somehow -- even though we have far fewer medical professionals than we need -- they should all be paid less money because it's a "universal need"? My gf is going to nursing school, do you think she is doing it to make $35,000, $40,000 a year? No way! She wants to make the big bucks! It's a free market economy and healthcare professionals work VERY hard and go to many years of school, especially top surgeons and doctors of all sorts, to get where they are. Universal healthcare basically says that supply and demand doesn't matter, every doctor is going to get X amount, and that will completely remove the incentive from going into medicine at all. My friend Sean, one of my best friends in fact, goes to KU for medical school now, a brilliant guy and a great student, but he wouldn't be going into medicine if he were going to make $50,000 a year. He wants to be making at least $250,000K/year, and he deserves it! Not only has he made great sacrifices to get into this field, working very hard towards this goal, but he will not even start making money until he's in his 30s, after spending a ton going to school.
Once you start saying what is free market and what is not, you get into some real problems. I would say absolutely as little as possible should be handled by the government.
I don't approve of a society that keeps people alive at all costs. That is what we call a WEAK society. A strong society should destroy / let die its weakest members, just like you see in 300. That's the best solution. Instead we make every effort to keep some hideous creature alive and grow up to realize how messed up it is, how it will never be happy or lead a normal life, which is just cruel if you ask me. Let nature take its course. It isn't hideous or cruel, it's natural -- it's nature, after all, it can't be anything but "natural." Medicine in its best applications isn't meant to keep horrible abortions of human beings alive, it's meant to help healthy people who are temporarily sick, or help cure diseases in people who otherwise can make solid contributions.
The profit motive is what keeps medicine strong. Without that, there is no incentive to develop new drugs, no incentive to research diseases, and no incentive to get into medicine in the first place. That is a failed system.
Universal healthcare is a GREAT evil, and if you can't see that, I'm sorry, but stick to simple filmmaking and don't vote, don't get into politics, and let people who actually think of the ramifications of actions make the decisions. Obviously that type of thought is beyond some people.