Diego Armando Maradona (1960-2020)

1:45​ On the creation of the Super League, Hislop says the actions of the 12 participating clubs are a slap in the face to everyone who has contributed to the growth of football for 150 years, especially the players and fans.

International club soccer tournaments have been held since the mid-1950's but have not become big until the late 1960's and the 1970's and the emergence of Ajax Amsterdam and Bayern Munich. Big powers were then national, including the Romanian slaves in Steaua Bucharest (controlled by Nicolai Ceausescu's KGB). The Soviet clubs, heavily doped up by the secret medical labs, also had quite a bit of success.

In 1995, the European Court issued a ruling based on a law suit filed by a Belgian player Jean Marc Bosman, who in essence challenged the existing "reserve clause". To go along in ruling in Bosman's favor, the EU court also ruled that the member states could no longer limit the number of foreign players per club, as long as they were from an EU member (or, subsequently, the Schengen Treaty members). That changed the world soccer more than anything in the preceding 100+ years by creating European super clubs that could simply bring in top players from anywhere in the world.

Meaning that Shaka's ramblings are entirely void of context.
 
Greed is good.

Or, as Lily Tomlin famously said, "This isn't show art but show business".

Eek I hope you're somewhat joking but anyway all 6 of the English clubs have now pulled out of this shameful episode, you can keep your money grabbing franchises, hopefully football learns something from this and the fans and all the other 'lesser' clubs get treated with a bit more respect
 
Eek I hope you're somewhat joking but anyway all 6 of the English clubs have now pulled out of this shameful episode, you can keep your money grabbing franchises, hopefully football learns something from this and the fans and all the other 'lesser' clubs get treated with a bit more respect

UEFA and FIFA are notoriously corrupt kleptocracies - see Blatter, Sepp; Plarini, Michel; Blazer, Chuck; Warner, Jack, et al. - who would be challenged in the US on the anti-trust grounds. But the media orchestrated this fake outrage since they benefit from the status quo.

Side note, the NFL just signed a TV contract that pays out $11B/Y. No one in the US is screaming that it's too much or too little. Yanks understand the nature of the sports business. The Europeans have preference for graft.
 
DLD, you’re missing the point. You’re not alone, I watched a segment on CNN yesterday where the anchor simply couldn’t understand what all the fuss was about. It was laughable.

You can’t judge this through the lens of American sport, our clubs aren’t franchises. Our leagues aren’t closed shops.

We know UEFA and FIFA are corrupt. We know the Champions League needs reform. The outrage in England and around Europe has nothing to do with any of that. The outrage is because this shameless power grab undermines every league and every club in every town in the country. It undermines 150 years of history and it undermines sporting integrity.

If the Super League were to go ahead it would destroy the Premier League and below it the Championship. It would destroy all the professional and amateur leagues below and destroy grass roots football. And for what? So that some billionaires can get richer.

In most peoples’ eyes this has been a battle for the soul of football and for once the money men lost.

I agree with you, the owners understand American sport, but they have clearly demonstrated they neither understand nor have respect for British and European sport. I expect to hear apologies from the boardrooms of these clubs as the blame game and recriminations begin over the coming days.
 
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See, Liam, I don't understand why it would destroy the Prem or even the Championship. Back in the late 1990's, the Prem was in the US on what was then called Fox Sports World. It wasn't even on a first tier of cable channels. For some reasons, Birmingham City (managed by Steve Bruce ... poorly) with Chris Marsden and Jovan Kirovsky comes to mind. It was not a solid roster compared to the bottom of the table in 2020-21 with Sheff U, West Brom and Fulham. The bottom table rosters have a lot more talent these days and that's because of the general infusion of money into the Premier League. Leicester couldn't win the title without the Thai money. Leeds couldn't climb back up without the Italian. Subsequently, that money flows into the Championship due to either loans or high transfer prices. That makes the Prem more popular across the globe, not less. It benefits local fans by bringing greater talent to their stadiums (something that cannot be said about the US sports leagues because they were getting the top talent regardless), making the game far more exciting, et cetera, et cetera.

PS. NBC/Universal is shuttering the NBC Sports Network channel and the Prem rights are open for a new bid anyway. Since the late 1990's, the broadcast rights went from the barely seen Fox Sports World to Fox Soccer (also rarely seen) to ESPN 1 and 2 (who picked up the best games from Fox Soccer for a stipulated fee), to NBC SN. And, the highlights that were once suppressed, are now available on YouTube in 12-14 minutes in length. No John Motson anymore but, at least, we get capable UK crews (with Jim "keeping his composure" Beglin, no less) rather than the US born&bred nitwits ... who still work on Fox.
 
BTW, someone brought this up on a different forum. In Germany, Bayern Munich won the last 8 titles in a row (will be 9 in a week). They only won three in the whole of the 1970's. In Italy, Juve won nine in a row (will end in 2020-21). In France, it's PSG for the foreseeable future. In Spain, Atletico Madrid won a sole title not worn by Barcelona or Real since 2004-2005 season. Those local leagues are no longer competitive compared to the US leagues where there hasn't been a repeat champion in the NFL since 2004-05 season and, since then, eleven teams have been crowned champions. In baseball, there also have been a dozen champions since then. The US model seems to work better.
 
See, Liam, I don't understand why it would destroy the Prem or even the Championship. Back in the late 1990's, the Prem was in the US on what was then called Fox Sports World. It wasn't even on a first tier of cable channels. For some reasons, Birmingham City (managed by Steve Bruce ...

I will do my best to explain without writing an essay.

Firstly, it's important to understand the Premiere League is largely financed through local TV rights here in the UK mostly via two subscription services, BT and Sky. Foreign TV makes a tiny percentage of revenue so isn't really important in this debate. Certainly, fans here only care about who owns the rights in a particular country when they are on holiday:-)

So, why would a closed-shop European "Super League" destroy the very fabric of the World's most popular sport? Quite simply, the ESL undermines all the other competitions. Let me illustrate that for you; imagine the game at the weekend between Liverpool and Leeds; Liverpool are fighting for fourth spot where they will once again qualify for the champions league. There is a huge amount at stake. But, if they are already guaranteed a place in the ESL that game has no importance. Indeed, they could field a weakened team giving an advantage to Leeds which other teams may not receive. Suddenly the league has lost its integrity. It's no longer a fair competition if some teams have already won.

Teams in the ESL will buy up all the best players as their financial strength will be consolidated way beyond what it is now. They'll have enough money for a full squad midweek and a separate squad for the weekend games in the Premiere League. Robbing the other clubs of talented players and robbing the fans of the chance to see the best players week in week out.

With their places assured in the ESL and having resources that dwarf their competitors in the Premier League the non-ESL teams will largely be playing for 7th and 8th position to qualify for the current European competitions. This also throws up the prospect of teams finishing above ESL teams but not qualifying for the ESL. Absolutely preposterous. But that is where we are now. Arsenal and Tottenham are both below sixth yet they will have a place in the ESL.

Promotion and relegation are fundamental to the sport's integrity. You have to earn your right to win. It means any club, from any town has a chance (however slim) of reaching the heights, and consequently every club can also plummet the depths and descend into ignominy. It is what gives the league its drama.

Fans are integral to drama too. Fans are tribal. I'm not talking about the plastic fans or the foreign fans (I have no axe to grind - good luck to them) I'm talking about the guys who have followed their teams all their life, who's family have supported that club through thick and thin for generations. For them, the local derby or crunch league game means far more than any European tournament. These clubs have deep roots in their communities that go back over hundred years. You don't mess with that kind of history simply to line your own pocket. It's our culture are trying to steal and they won't succeed.

Clubs in the lower divisions rely heavily on payments from the Premiere League for their very survival. More so now since the pandemic. If the Premier League loses out to the ESL (which it won't) then those clubs are in serious trouble.

Honestly, I could go on, and on and on... ...but I'll stop there for now as this is turning into an essay.
 
BTW, someone brought this up on a different forum. In Germany, Bayern Munich won the last 8 titles in a row (will be 9 in a week). They only won three in the whole of the 1970's. In Italy, Juve won nine in a row (will end in 2020-21). In France, it's PSG for the foreseeable future. In Spain, Atletico Madrid won a sole title not worn by Barcelona or Real since 2004-2005 season. Those local leagues are no longer competitive compared to the US leagues where there hasn't been a repeat champion in the NFL since 2004-05 season and, since then, eleven teams have been crowned champions. In baseball, there also have been a dozen champions since then. The US model seems to work better.

Fans in the UK may watch a little Spanish or German football (I do) but they really only care about the Premier League, Championship etc. There will be no European Super League without English clubs.
 
I understand your point of view but I still think it's a marginal call. Big clubs will still win. Wealthy investors will still find their way in. Money makes the world go around and seeks its level. If Stavely and the Saudis bought Newcastle, the local fans would be ecstatic. Slowly - or perhaps not slowly - every Premiership team not owned by a billionaire will be. There is no draft in global soccer. There is no salary cap. One can easily buy a lower tier team, build a stadium and keep moving it up the ranks. There are already eight American owners in the Prem (plus the idiots at Swansea). It's a never ending upgrade process and that's how it's going to be.

PS. If the Prem fans are afraid of money, they will see how money seeps into other leagues. PSG ain't exactly made by paupers. And it's just a tip of the iceberg.
 
BTW, I remember how Serie A was the top Euro league in the 80's and 90's to the point that a whole lot of top English stars played there. La Liga is benefiting from the infusion of cash too and top teams will keep on chipping at the EPL current status.
 
No one is afraid of money. No one is afraid of super rich owners and no one is afraid of reform to European or domestic competitions.

Money isn’t a guarantee of success. It helps, for sure, but plenty of clubs spend big and go nowhere or worse, get relegated. And that is at the heart of this whole debate. It’s worth repeating, these clubs aren’t franchises and it doesn’t matter how much money an owner may have the clubs ‘belong’ to the fans and their communities. Win, lose or draw.

You’re right about Italian football being successful in the early 90s. The only problem was the games were boring. Ultimately, it has to be a good watch if it is to be a success. That’s another reason the Super League was ill-conceived; the same teams playing each other week in week out would lose its interest pretty quickly.
 
So, tying up some topics -

Schalke was relegated. So was another big club from the 1980-s and 90's and 2000's - Werder Bremen. Matthew Hoppe did enough to generate a lot of transfer rumors, while Bremen's US striker Josh Sargent sealed a $12M move to Norwich City.

Chelsea - or Chelski, as it is derogatorily referred to due to its semi-concealed Vladimir Putin ownership - fired its head coach Frank Lampard (a Chelsea legend as a player) and hired a German Thomas Tuchel, who was just fired by Paris St. Germain (PSG) and its Qatari owners. Which proved to be the right move, with Tuchel guiding the club to the Champions League title. Tuchel then met the nominal Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich for the first time at the post-game award ceremony.

After firing Tuchel, PSG hired a recently fired Tottenham coach Mauricio Pochettino because they didn't think that they could win with Tuchel. Well, they couldn't with with Pochettino either, going out in the semis to Man City, which subsequently lost the final to Tuchel's Chelsea. Mo is a former PSG player and an Argentine. Which must have come in handy when PSG made a bid to sign Leo Messi. The bid worked. Messi even gave them a discount for his services, only $180M compensation packet for the two year contract.

Barcelona had to let Messi go as a free agent because their league wouldn't let them go above the "salary cap". And because Barcelona still wants to create a "runaway" league. The move will hurt Barcelona and Spain overall because Messi was worth watching. The rest of the league is the second fiddle and now a subject of immense dislike wherever Messi is popular. Which is everywhere.
 
Gerd Müller, my favorite player growing up and still to this day, dies at 75. Early in his career, he had a Croatian born coach, whose German wasn't flawless, so he called the player "kleines, dickes" Müller - short and fat and with the female gender to boot. The name stuck as a joke because,during his career, Gerd became known as the "Bomber", with the most goals scored in World Cups, the Bundesliga, the European Cups, etc. He came to the US to play in the North American Soccer League for the Ford Lauderdale Strikers in 1979 and ended up staying in the US for over a decade as a bar/restaurant owner. Over the last few years, he battled various age related diseases.



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