Did you guys see the new brochure!

P2 Cards

P2 Cards

Yeah I bet that frikin p2 system with dump station and cards are going to cost as much as the frikin camera itself. What happned to being able to record to I-pod!!!!?????
 
Nobody ever said you could "record" to an ipod. That was never part of the plan.

However, you can dump your P2 cards onto an ipod, that's still completely possible.
 
wait, i'm confused. the pdf fie wouldnt come up for me with the specs but, does this cam only shoot and record on these memory chips? is there an option to use minidv in the cam?

if not, how much HD footage could one get off of say a 16 gig card?
 
The Dark said:
wait, i'm confused. the pdf fie wouldnt come up for me with the specs but, does this cam only shoot and record on these memory chips? is there an option to use minidv in the cam?

if not, how much HD footage could one get off of say a 16 gig card?
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There is a ton of info on this in other threads. Basically it boils down to this:

1) There is tape recording if you are filming standard defintion footage. This is all you can use the tape recording for.

2) You can record to an "intelligent device" such as a Firestore or a laptop.

3) For estimated recording times with p2, check this link. For 16 gb cards, Just double the 8gb figures (or so I'd think).
 
cool thanks.

although, not so cool about the time restraints associated with P2 cards and how much footage one could record.
 
I was reading about slowing down footage in camera or in post and even though many trustworthy professionals here suggested that the slowing down footage in post is limited to specific increments I have to oppose it. If you are seriosu about your postproduction a very easy and efficient fix to slow down your footage in post is based on the algorithm of each software and the way it interpolates frame. Long story short all the NLE and FFX software is has limitations mentioned, however there is a plugin called twixtor for AE, FCP, Premiere, Combustion, Shake, Quantel and some other big bad boys. The only reason why I feel so strong about this plugin is because I've been using it for some time and had a chance to put it through some serious tests and was very impressed with the results. If you're slowing down footage to no more than 15% of its original %100 speed you're going to get good results and of course there are many variables that can be adjusted in order to get the smoothest slowmo possible without being restricted to what NLE had to offer before. lol btw I don't work for REvision:FX just the program is that good. runs around $330. I believe they have demo on their site so feel free to try out. :) http://www.revisionfx.com

PS: there has to be a reason why they used it on so many feature films. peace.

M.
 
I have used twixtor once on a spot for my radio station and it produced terrible things. You have to be very picky with what you slow down - it can produce ok results under very good conditions :thumbsup:
 
no algorithm in the world will ever work as well as shooting more frames to begin with, so that when you play back at the "normal" (ie 24 or 30 fps) rate, there is a new and unique (and not interpolated) frame for every one in the sequence.
 
This is also on the DVD which is free for the asking. I got mine this week. It answered a lot of question and did a body slam on HDV video compression and the sucky HDV compressed audio.
 
Hm, I don't think this is just undercranking. Check out the phrasing:

"Lower-speed shooting at 4 to 23* fps let you attain fast-motion effect. This technique can be combined with warp-speed effect"

Lower-speed shooting alone is undercranking. But this "can be combined with warp-speed effect", which tells us that warp-speed is something different. I would have thought they were referring to the highly overused sudden-slowdown effect; for example, as the car in the commercial is about to whip past, it slows down people on the sidewalk can gaze at it, agape. You've "warped" the playback by changing its speed mid-stream.

If it can do this, that means you can change frame rate on the fly, an interesting feature. I don't remember what the latest thinking is on this in regard to the HVX200, but I think the VariCam always records 60P and you just pick how many frames you want to throw away in between. Twisting the old speed knob while shooting would, I guess, just change how many frames per second are tagged as keepers.
 
That's not how the VariCam works. It *records* 60 frames per second, but it *images* as many as you tell it. The rest are just duplicates. So if you tell it to shoot 30p, it will capture 30 frames per second, each 1/30 of a second apart from each other. They will get written out to tape as 60p, but each frame will be duplicated once.

If you told it to shoot 4p, it would hold each frame for 1/4 of a second, and shoot 4 individual frames per second, and the tape system would record 15 copies of each frame (to round out the sequence to 60).

The HVX can work similarly, if you're streaming data -- it rounds out the firewire stream to be 60 frames per second. But if you're recording on the card, it can record exactly as many frames as you tell it to, and only those frames.

Now, as far as changing frame rate in the middle of a shot, I don't think that's been clarified yet. Jan has said that speed ramping won't be possible on the HVX.
 
That makes sense; I was wondering how it would juggle slow shutter speeds (lower than 1/60) against a 60P capture rate.

Gavin
 
Slower shutter speeds result in a slower effective frame rate, with duplicate frames being recorded. If you shoot 60p at 1/30th (which is, of course, impossible) then it'll hold the frame for a full 1/30th, and then write that out (and continue writing it out until the next frame is available). So you get, effectively, 30p in that situation.
 
Anyobdy seen the DVD they sent out with the brochures? They include a little footage shot with it (I assume since they show a few comparisons when talking about features). Of course it's only SD as highly comptressed MPEG-2, and mostly split screen, so it really doesn't show us anything.
 
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