Depth of field w/ additional glass

mrWr0ng

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I was working on a gig w/ someone using a wide-angle adapter, a 0.8x but zoom-through (sony made on a sony cam). Since it was zoom-through, he basically left it on all the time for his shots, so that even when he was zoomed in, he'd still get a wider shot.

My question is this... how would an additional piece of glass affect getting a shallow depth of field? As I understand it, on cameras with zoom lenses, your depth of field is related to the distance between the pieces of glass on the lens. I can't remember if it's directly proportional or inversely, but if the distance between the pieces of glass affects the depth of field, would adding a wide angle adapter affect that as well?

For this example, we were trying to do a shot with a woman putting on makeup in a mirror and her husband in the background, out of focus, then racking between them. With the adaptor on, we were able to sufficiently get the shot by putting her between the camera and a mirror, then bouncing off the mirror to the husband in the background.

My question is, would this have worked better or worse without the adaptor? I can't zoom that much with mine so I typically only use it when I need to go REALLY wide, but my thinking is that if the depth of field is inversely proportional to the distance between the pieces of glass, then the additional adaptor could create a more shallow depth of field, but if it's the opposite, then a wide-angle could work against shallow depth of field. Or, the third option, it has no affect on it at all.
 
D'oh I totally forgot about that! By making the whole frame wider, you increase the size of the background objects, bringing them better into focus, right? Man there's so much to remember about this, but that makes sense.

So the additional piece of glass and the increased distance between them isn't as important as the amount of frame being sent to the sensors?
 
mrWr0ng said:
D'oh I totally forgot about that! By making the whole frame wider, you increase the size of the background objects, bringing them better into focus, right?

Just the opposite. Having a wider field of view, you show a larger area of the objects in the background therefore decreasing their size, so they "appear" to be more in focus.
An easy test is to zoom your camera all the way out. Move the camera into a position to frame a person from their waist up to the top of their head. Make a note of how much background you see. Now zoom the camera all the way in and back up it's position until you have the person framed up the same as in the previous shot. Now make a note of how much of the background you see. It will be a smaller area, blown up larger to fill the screen and "appear" more out of focus.
 
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What matters is how magnified the background objects are. The bigger they are, the fuzzier they'll be; the smaller they are, the sharper they'll be. Telephoto lenses bring the background closer/larger, making it thus appear fuzzier.
 
Ah okay, yeah I had that backwards.So it looks like the lens zooms back for telephoto to put more space between the glass to get a more shallow depth of field (making it inversely proportional?), so adding another piece of glass would increase the distance but would be overshadowed by the larger frame and smaller background objects, which puts much more stuff in focus. Is this pretty much it?
 
No, adding or removing glass is totally incidental. What you're modifying is the focal length -- either by zooming, or by using an adapter, it doesn't matter. What matters is the effective focal length.
 
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