F55: Davinci Resolve 11

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Just when you thought version 10 was new, looks like 11 is coming and will now be a flown blown NLE.

This is excellent news!
 
I guess it depends what you consider a full blown NLE.

I would not use Resolve as an editor. The editing features were added to improve conforming. Blackmagic has said they are not aiming for Resolve 11 to become a NLE.
 
Maybe "fully capable" (term borrowed from nofilmschool) is more appropriate. Even I don't know what "full blown" means. :)

BUT - from what I see in 11 you can work on a timeline and perform 3 point edits and it has, setting in points & out points, split edits, slips, slides, ease in/out transitions, use multiple tracks, support for 3rd party plug-ins, media management bins, etc...

For me this well covers the basics of editing that are mostly needed in my case and guarantee version 12 will improve upon it even more.

If you do your own coloring in Resolve and editing in another program this can entirely eliminate roundtrip workflows, plus BMD is infamous for responding to new codecs and supporting changes to cameras in a very quick manner. I can not say the same for Adobe, and I 100% do not support the concept of CC so I'm looking at it as exploring potential options as to what I might be using after CS6 production suite & FCP X.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj8XFvREmk0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNt8qL6P5g#t=185
 
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Sure. But you already have all that in several other editing programs outside of Media Composer, FCP, Premiere, Lightworks, Vegas and Edius. Why are the others outside of this group not widely used?

There's more to a NLE than only that.
 
The big bang of excitement here is eliminating roundtrip workflows. With ACES based workflows for cameras like F5/F55 and Davinci Resolve it means no need for transcoding into proxies, editing proxies, exporting to XML, importing to Resolve, exporting new clips, relinking new clips to edit, rendering new master out,,,,

It's a big deal.
 
I think it's a big deal for confroming. Or if all you do is really short stuff. Editing a whole feature in Resolve would be a pain. 30 sec commericals I could see. As long as it doesn't have a high shooting ratio.

The other factor is that F5 and F55 users are what? 10% of the whole market if at all? I'm probably being very generous here and it's more like 3-5%, if!

Then there is the fact that just to run Resolve 11 you need a very beefy computer. Out of reach and need for most editors.

Resolve 11 will be used as an editor by people who use Resolve but are not colorists, by people who do it all alone and by people who are not real users of any real NLE. I can't see Avid editors dropping Media Composer for Resolve for example.

Resolve 11 would be attractive for prosumers one man do it all type of business, if the system requirements weren't so expensive.

For all that, I don't see Resolve becoming the editor of choice for a whole lot of people.

The features are there to make Resolve into a finishing station, not a NLE.
 
SJX said:
I think it's a big deal for confroming. Or if all you do is really short stuff. Editing a whole feature in Resolve would be a pain. 30 sec commericals I could see. As long as it doesn't have a high shooting ratio.

The other factor is that F5 and F55 users are what? 10% of the whole market if at all? I'm probably being very generous here and it's more like 3-5%, if!

Then there is the fact that just to run Resolve 11 you need a very beefy computer. Out of reach and need for most editors.

Resolve 11 will be used as an editor by people who use Resolve but are not colorists, by people who do it all alone and by people who are not real users of any real NLE. I can't see Avid editors dropping Media Composer for Resolve for example.

Resolve 11 would be attractive for prosumers one man do it all type of business, if the system requirements weren't so expensive.

For all that, I don't see Resolve becoming the editor of choice for a whole lot of people.

The features are there to make Resolve into a finishing station, not a NLE.
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Agree, I've been using Avid for many years now, it took some time to get my head around round tripping between Avid and Resolve but now it is second nature. Any changes in the final timeline (well I thought this was a final cut but I want to make one more change) can easily be handled using ColorTrace. As far as system requirements go, I have an HP Z400 that runs Resolve fine in 1080 mode, although I haven't tried 2K or 4K yet; you might need a Z800 12 core to run the higher rez stuff. If someone is doing 2K or 4K on Resolve I'd like to know what machine they are using and how it works at the higher resolutions.
 
scocklin said:
Agree, I've been using Avid for many years now, it took some time to get my head around round tripping between Avid and Resolve but now it is second nature. Any changes in the final timeline (well I thought this was a final cut but I want to make one more change) can easily be handled using ColorTrace. As far as system requirements go, I have an HP Z400 that runs Resolve fine in 1080 mode, although I haven't tried 2K or 4K yet; you might need a Z800 12 core to run the higher rez stuff. If someone is doing 2K or 4K on Resolve I'd like to know what machine they are using and how it works at the higher resolutions.
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Are you running Resolve 10? What graphics card? It needs at least 2GB graphics card to even run. Resolve 9 is much less demanding though.
 
I'm running Resolve 10 with a Nvidia Quadro FX 3800 card, also using a BlackMagic Design Intensity Shuttle HDMI out to an HP DreamColor monitor. The only time the system slows down is when I'm using a Neat Video plug in to clean up noise.
 
scocklin said:
I'm running Resolve 10 with a Nvidia Quadro FX 3800 card, also using a BlackMagic Design Intensity Shuttle HDMI out to an HP DreamColor monitor. The only time the system slows down is when I'm using a Neat Video plug in to clean up noise.
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Funny. I had a GTX 560 Ti in my system also with 1GB like your card and I had to upgrade to a 4GB card because Resolve 10 wouldn't run. Resolve 9 worked fine though.
 
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Then there is the fact that just to run Resolve 11 you need a very beefy computer. Out of reach and need for most editors.
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I spent some time at NAB with the demo editors showing off Resolve and they told me it was extremely easy on computer hardware - much lighter on its feet than Resolve 10. In fact they said I would be fine using my current Macbook Pro ( its a later one that's maxed out but still a laptop.)

They were very surprised by its power and ease of use and thought it was a major competitor to Premiere and FCPX already.
. It knocked my socks off because I still haven't left FCP7, and this looked much closer to FCP than any of the other NLE's out there. They said you could be running in no time as an FCP7 guy.

I loved that it would eliminate round tripping and suspect it could be a much used especially at the free price point many young people will learn it first. I've always been interested in doing color correction. I do it in FCP for people but have been lazy about learning Resolve. Now I'm excited and just ordered a trackball unit.

Lenny
 
Lenilenapi said:
I spent some time at NAB with the demo editors showing off Resolve and they told me it was extremely easy on computer hardware - much lighter on its feet than Resolve 10.
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That's interesting to hear and almost hard to believe since I had to completely upgrade my Resolve 9 system just to run Resolve 10 and my system was no slouch. Hopefully it's not just salesman BS, specially that Resolve 11 adds more features and this normally means more power required.

There are several features lacking that holds Resolve back from being a real professional level NLE. Maybe Resolve 12.

But then again there are some who see FCP-X as a viable professional NLE, so this is subjective.
 
I don't think they were just being salesmen. First - as is recall 2 different guys told me that, and they were not BM staff people but editors who were hired for the show to demo the program. A week before they hadn't seen it. I was very surprised by their enthusiasm. Hope it turns out to be genuine and justified. Guess we'll know more in June.

What features besides multicam editing hold it back from being a true professional NLE ?
 
The reason I posted this in the F3/F5/F55 section is because I believe it is highly relevant to Sony users who are shooting with Sony's slog flavours.

Davinci's support of slog and particularly the ACES workflow goes unmatched by other NLE's (actually Sony Vegas is really good too) and goes a long way to getting higher quality looking images from these cameras. In fact, using Resolve for NLE and color grading all in one package would also be highly relevant for those shooting log in Canon and ARRI.

Another nice thing about Davinci Resolve (full edition) is that it comes with a Noise Reduction feature built-in which is avoids any exporting, re-importing or re-linking of clips.

Again, relevant to the Sony F5/F55 users this is an added plus because with the camera in Cine-EI mode which is what you need to use in-camera LUTs Sony disabled the in-camera NR. People want this back fast but no word from Sony if its going to happen.
 
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