dancin ho's

Dogcat... you might have one hell of a freakshow on your hands with this. A disclaimer might be in order.. and definitely don't want to be eating popcorn while watching this..... wooozaa...

What are your plans with this footage? Might be a pretty interesting story in there. I know that movie Dark Days was one of the best docs I've seen in a super long time... And the director who came on here was very cool. WIsh ya the best....


Man them are some beat up ho's too!
 
Thanks for the feedback. What you see here is as attempt by the city to diversify the clientelle of this square in the "redlight " district. Because it's a square and not a park , the place is ideal for hanging out all night. (in a park you have to be out by 11) So it attracts marginal types. It's a meeting place for users, buyers, dealers, ho's, and homeless people. The problem now is that condos have been built around "place la paix" . The attempt is not to displace the usual crowd, but to acknowledge them, realise that they are here to stay, and develop ideas of harmony around them. There were events over the summer, in that one it was a clothing by donation sale , with a dj and mc. I suggested they do a cat walk and have the freaks wear the clothing, and that's part of what you see in the images. To me it often became surreal. unfortunatley i'de only had about a months experience with any video camera. So it's kind of a case where the subject is stronger than the technique. I will still edit together as much as i can of the footage i have, and try to make it cohesive. There is the possibility that it happens again this summer, and i'll have a second chance to do a better job.
 
I'm hoping it goes annual. Grant applications have allready been made. I'm not sure what the drug of choice was at this year inaugeration event, but I myself only sold meth.
 
city isn't trying to push out the druggies whores and bumbs that smell like piss? They are trying to make them feel welcome? sounds like the city I live in, sounds like San Francsico, CA. damn hippys druggies and hookers this city is full of them.


:violin: playing my heart bleeds for everyone who wants to take everything I earn.

This city needs a :bath:

Or the red states need to :Drogar-Mark-10(DBG) the damned place
 
The problem in San Fran and the southerns states is the weather is more accomodating. The winters here are rough, so the homeless population cannot get too big. Do you know the Sanfrancisco Diggers from the sixties? My friend Max Grogan's late dad Emit Grogan was one of them. They started the free food in the park thing, and would organise free shows with the gratefuldead. The Haight Street merchants took advatage of this and started calling it free love. That's when all the hippies started flocking in from all over the place, and I guess you got stuck with them ever since.
 
Jason Miller said:
city isn't trying to push out the druggies whores and bumbs that smell like piss? They are trying to make them feel welcome? sounds like the city I live in, sounds like San Francsico, CA. damn hippys druggies and hookers this city is full of them.


:violin: playing my heart bleeds for everyone who wants to take everything I earn.

This city needs a :bath:

Or the red states need to :Drogar-Mark-10(DBG) the damned place
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Hey,
why don´t you just move to Texas?
Since you`d even prefer to get SF nuked, it maybe would be a better solution for all involved...?
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The people in the vid seem to have a good time and enjoy themselves, but the camerawork comes across a little to voyeuristic for my taste, I prefer a more subtle camera for documentary work, but that´s just my 0.02$...
 
Hey Spartacus, thanks for your' input. The truth is i only had a month experience with any video camera. It definately comes off as voyeuristic and by no means adhereing to any documentary style, in part because I had no clue what I was doing. I had been hired to take a few digital pictures, but I was more interested in capturing some of the scene on video. The crowd was intimidating, and security was slim. I was just glad that people let me shoot them, and enjoyed the fact that people actually acted up for the camera. But that doesn't mean I don't want to learn about real documentary film making, or am not making efforts to learn. I am very interested in documentary as a form, if you have any suggestions to think about (or good books), i'de love to hear about it.
 
Justyn said:
Dogcat... you might have one hell of a freakshow on your hands with this. A disclaimer might be in order.. and definitely don't want to be eating popcorn while watching this..... wooozaa...
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Agreed. not something I wanted to see at 2:30 in the morning....
 
dogcat said:
Hey Spartacus, thanks for your' input. The truth is i only had a month experience with any video camera. It definately comes off as voyeuristic and by no means adhereing to any documentary style, in part because I had no clue what I was doing. I had been hired to take a few digital pictures, but I was more interested in capturing some of the scene on video. The crowd was intimidating, and security was slim. I was just glad that people let me shoot them, and enjoyed the fact that people actually acted up for the camera. But that doesn't mean I don't want to learn about real documentary film making, or am not making efforts to learn. I am very interested in documentary as a form, if you have any suggestions to think about (or good books), i'de love to hear about it.
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I don´t know of any book on documentary camera style, there are some on producing docs of course...
I also must admit that IMHO the bigger part regarding "voyeurism" goes to choosing the scenes and the final montage, so a close up following a dancing man doesn´t have to be voyeuristic per se...
Hm, being from Europe, I don´t know many northern american documentaries, besides the "discovery channel style docutainment stuff" or "stupid white men" ego-trips - I prefer movies that let the viewer room for his own decisions, even if this means that the viewer will read sth different than intended by the filmmaker...
(I guess there are a lot of documentaries like this from the US or Canada, which are simply not shown over here...)
For you I´d probably suggest checking on french documentaries from the past decades and watching how the camera person or the fimmaker gets involved in the scene (or not)...
 
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