D800 press release

cinebuddy said:
Jeez that was bad, take your last sentence to heart next time. The video was bad no matter what it was filmed on. Bad edits, bad effects, and a bad showing for the camera.
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OK, on bad or insufficient showing of the camera, I think it is not necessary much for several reasons it is not necessary elaborate much ;-)

But on the rest, I'd like to read your review. Beware I didn't comment nor said thanks either, so I am not called to pronounce about the thing.

Once you did it, I am all ears to read your observations on it :-) Since you look like to have a point, not exactly a case of personal taste in accordance with what is possible to get from your words, it is legit to expect there is who is interested to listen your reasons.
 
Emanuel said:
OK, on bad or insufficient showing of the camera, I think it is not necessary much for several reasons it is not necessary elaborate much ;-)

But on the rest, I'd like to read your review. Beware I didn't comment nor said thanks either, so I am not called to pronounce about the thing.

Once you did it, I am all ears to read your observations on it :-) Since you look like to have a point, not exactly a case of personal taste in accordance with what is possible to get from your words, it is legit to expect there is who is interested to listen your reasons.
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Maybe you are having a bad week or something. I stated that the video as a music video is bad. It is hard for me to watch and with the color treatment and fx makes it hard to garner any of the abilities of the camera. While Joy Ride was a fluff piece to show the great low light capabilities and the lack of skew and reduced moire. This video, as a music video sucks its just poorly done, feels tossed together. My opinion, sorry you have a problem with it and have taken issue with it over the course of two pages. For chrissakes did you work on the darn thing?
 

It's situations like these, where I have to pull this video out lol.

Life's too short to be throwing names or unconstructive criticism (especially on filmmaker's forums)...
 
cinebuddy said:
Maybe you are having a bad week or something. I stated that the video as a music video is bad. It is hard for me to watch and with the color treatment and fx makes it hard to garner any of the abilities of the camera. While Joy Ride was a fluff piece to show the great low light capabilities and the lack of skew and reduced moire. This video, as a music video sucks its just poorly done, feels tossed together. My opinion, sorry you have a problem with it and have taken issue with it over the course of two pages. For chrissakes did you work on the darn thing?
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No, I am not having a bad week at all. As matter of fact, quite the opposite but this is personal stuff ;-)

What it is not personal stuff is what is posted on public forums about some work whoever are the professionals involved on it.

I was not one of them. But... I started my career in the business 20 years ago, as lecturer in Universities since 1997 beginning with post graduate students. I am used to learn with them at least as much as I hope they are with me.

Half part of my background is film aesthetics, the other part, film technique. On the opposite what exactly some can think, we can never dissociate one from another. They are part of same game. Both have science or art technique behind that should be taken as the more complex the processes are, the best outcome achieved. If not, we should try to understand or learn why not.

This is what makes forums like dvxuser to shine when we add something on the discussion where our personal feelings do not count for nothing. All of us are here to learn something with each other when we have something to learn with.

Yet, there's no B&W like Hollywood/Sundance or wedding video/Cannes, there are aesthetics and technique, both can or should help each other. It doesn't matter the level, style, product, etc. This is the scope of my wondering about your statement. It should be yourself to explain your own point though, as you wish :-)
 
The video was bad no matter what it was filmed on. Bad edits, bad effects, and a bad showing for the camera.
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This is of course one person's opinion. And he is entitled to voice it. Just don't get it confused with the opinion of thousands of people that liked it and already put their pre-orders in for the D800 all over the world. And that is what Nikon really cares about. They know they got a great product to offer and they are ready for the cash register to ring for a long time:

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/10/nikon-sendai-to-produce-30000-d800-and-5000-d4-cameras-per-month.aspx/
 
Emanuel said:
No, I am not having a bad week at all. As matter of fact, quite the opposite but this is personal stuff ;-)

What it is not personal stuff is what is posted on public forums about some work whoever are the professionals involved on it.

I was not one of them. But... I started my career in the business 20 years ago, as lecturer in Universities since 1997 beginning with post graduate students. I am used to learn with them at least as much as I hope they are with me.

Half part of my background is film aesthetics, the other part, film technique. On the opposite what exactly some can think, we can never dissociate one from another. They are part of same game. Both have science or art technique behind that should be taken as the more complex the processes are, the best outcome achieved. If not, we should try to understand or learn why not.

This is what makes forums like dvxuser to shine when we add something on the discussion where our personal feelings do not count for nothing. All of us are here to learn something with each other when we have something to learn with.

Yet, there's no B&W like Hollywood/Sundance or wedding video/Cannes, there are aesthetics and technique, both can or should help each other. It doesn't matter the level, style, product, etc. This is the scope of my wondering about your statement. It should be yourself to explain your own point though, as you wish :-)
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Well you could of said "Cinebuddy, what is it about this video that you don't like?" Personally I didn't think my dislike of the video warranted any response at all, so understand the incessant reference to Asian cultural edicts felt like unnecessary digs on your part. I mean really its not that deep. But lets be real, a large proportion of pixel peeping on any forum of this nature comes with a great deal of bias whether it's brand loyalty, or the realization that your last purchase is outdated again. I can think of a few people who get out here and do the testing on their own to determine the real world usefulness of a product (Kholi and Hunter come to mind quickly). So while I can appreciate your background and all, I find the existential nature of your analysis of what my opinion may or may not mean to the larger contribution of a camera discussion in a camera forum a tad bit overboard.
 
John Caballero said:
This is of course one person's opinion. And he is entitled to voice it. Just don't get it confused with the opinion of thousands of people that liked it and already put their pre-orders in for the D800 all over the world. And that is what Nikon really cares about. They know they got a great product to offer and they are ready for the cash register to ring for a long time:

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/10/nikon-sendai-to-produce-30000-d800-and-5000-d4-cameras-per-month.aspx/
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I'll probably buy one as well but it won't be because of that video. I'm not a brand bound guy so to see Nikon come out with a great product is a great thing. I'm more interested in seeing footage recorded to an external device as well as more testing with regard to moire. That particular piece was distracting to me...made me not want to watch it regardless of how many people watched it. Never knew it would ruffle feathers to the point of a flame war. The need for forum members to go into a diatribe about Nikon business and pre-orders, or Japanese culture is ridiculous. If you weren't involved in the production, or make videos that look like that one, take the persons opinion with a grain of salt and keep it moving.

As an aside i'm glad that it will readily available with those types of numbers.
 
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cinebuddy said:
Well you could of said "Cinebuddy, what is it about this video that you don't like?" Personally I didn't think my dislike of the video warranted any response at all, so understand the incessant reference to Asian cultural edicts felt like unnecessary digs on your part. I mean really its not that deep. But lets be real, a large proportion of pixel peeping on any forum of this nature comes with a great deal of bias whether it's brand loyalty, or the realization that your last purchase is outdated again. I can think of a few people who get out here and do the testing on their own to determine the real world usefulness of a product (Kholi and Hunter come to mind quickly). So while I can appreciate your background and all, I find the existential nature of your analysis of what my opinion may or may not mean to the larger contribution of a camera discussion in a camera forum a tad bit overboard.
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Unfortunately, it was not, neither incessaant or ridiculous, as you re-post in your successive post in this page. Just something any educated reader may understand it quite well :-)
 
John Caballero said:
This is of course one person's opinion. And he is entitled to voice it. Just don't get it confused with the opinion of thousands of people that liked it and already put their pre-orders in for the D800 all over the world. And that is what Nikon really cares about. They know they got a great product to offer and they are ready for the cash register to ring for a long time:

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/10/nikon-sendai-to-produce-30000-d800-and-5000-d4-cameras-per-month.aspx/
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Sure, he is entitled to voice it. So much that I'd like to listen the basis for his entry...

But as far as I could understand, he's not denying or confirming the merits of the new Nikon.
 
I really wish Nikon had gone with the D4 sensor in the D800 and put the 36 megapixel sensor in a D4x. The D800 just strikes me as a studio camera marketed as a DSLR that is all things to all people. Sure the D800 will be good in low light but not amazing like the D4, C300, and FS100.

I was screen testing an actress for the lead in a feature I have in development a couple of nights ago with the 5D. I shot at a subway station and in a couple of alleyways. I used a comer LED mounted on my rig for some fill and used available light. With the 5D @ 1250 ISO I had to shoot wide open and the DOF was too shallow for my liking. Moire was a problem too with my 20mm sigma. I don't mind a bit of softness ala 5D but if I'm going to replace it I want 2-3 stops more, no chroma noise, no moire, and better highlight rolloff. It looks like the D800 has only about a stop or so over the 5D. The FS100 isn't that great with highlights so that leaves the C300, the D4, and whatever Canon releases in the next 3 months. It looks like Nikon finally has rolling shutter under control but it's too early to tell about moire and overheating....the D90 was a nightmare. Everything I've seen from the D4 and D800 so far looks likes it's been shot with an overly contrasty and saturated profile which we all know is not showing the true capabilities of the camera.

The point I'm trying to make is don't believe the marketing hype, do a lot of homework and get the right tool for the job. No camera is perfect but with a little help from each other we do amazing things with these cool toys.

Some stills from the GAMMA screen test.
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When I saw this promo video, I thought it was actually one of those fake videos pretending to be official. I was shocked when I discovered it was real!!!! in any case, I already have an order for one for other reasons. But I do agree that it was one of the worst promo videos ever, IMHO.
 
Emanuel said:
@Anthony, I am buying that D4 cause as same as you.

BTW, funny move edit indeed... LOL (E :-)
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I could be wrong but I just can't see Canon matching or bettering Nikon in high ISO especially chroma noise. I actually like the D3s noise it's very grain like.
 
squig said:
I could be wrong but I just can't see Canon matching or bettering Nikon in high ISO especially chroma noise. I actually like the D3s noise it's very grain like.
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I'm afraid the same. Plus the advantage of Nikon glass, even aliasing/moiré wise, distinct autofocus basis, etc, plenty of reasons to go with Nikon this time. Unless, the 4K M-JPEG is there on the corner. I guess it will be hard to Canon for a different choice this time.
 
Emanuel said:
I'm afraid the same. Plus the advantage of Nikon glass, even aliasing/moiré wise, distinct autofocus basis, etc, plenty of reasons to go with Nikon this time. Unless, the 4K M-JPEG is there on the corner. I guess it will be hard to Canon for a different choice this time.
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I'd be happy with 2k m-jpeg provided it's over 100Mbit/s. 1080p 60p could also be a deciding factor. I still have some Nikon glass but I'm mostly using Leica so I just have to change adapters. I still think the D90 had a look that the 5D just can't do without a lot of grading. Canon really have to do something special with the MKIII, and soon! The worst case scenario is an FS100 and that's pretty amazing for a worst case scenario. Either way I'm not rushing into anything yet.
 
Ted Ramasola said:
OLPF implementation is a tricky thing, for one, the fact that they decided to come out with 2 versions of this cam shows that it must be aggressive enough to soften the sensor for wide landscape work, also,
I think they had to balance it to be not too aggressive to be still sharp for most lenses and for most scenarios in 1080 mode.
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This observation really really nails what Nikon is doing from a marketing standpoint with this product line. I wish we could make this statement a 'sticky'.
 
squig said:
I'd be happy with 2k m-jpeg provided it's over 100Mbit/s. 1080p 60p could also be a deciding factor.
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Seeing how the sensors have extreme number of megapixels, XQD and CF, that they could just go full 2k and have a 1080p option. Then a soft 2k could be sharp 1080 for those that can accommodate a post workflow.

An FX sensor should also be able to handle windowed DX 60p, no?

Sorry, I know this makes no sense, and I am complaining.
 
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