D600 doubts?
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Ebrahim Saadawi
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You do have Full M. Control. There's just a little bug that you have to go out of Liveview, set aperture, then go back to LV. In other world, it does have manual control but with the slight inconvenience of not being able to change aperture WHILE recording. It's a great camera, just a bit soft (think 5D level" and shows aliasing. Great FF stills camera and a FF video camera for shallow DOF ''Beauty'' shots as opposed to detailed fine landscapes. The colour's and images out of it are mindblowing when shooting people, just falls apart in wides. Great deal for the current price anyway if you value pro stills and the FF look.
rawfa
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Have you tried it with the nikon hack? I've read that the higher bitrate really makes the difference. I was actually hoping someone would say the hack also allows for aperture control during liveview....having to go on and off live view every time I want to change aperture is really terrible during events, weddings and such.
Samuel H
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The D600 has aliasing/moire, the D750 doesn't. No idea about the price difference, though.
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Nikon-D600--Testlabor.html#Testl
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Nikon-D600--Testlabor.html#Testl
The d600 hacks that give you a higher bitrate are not hard to do and works pretty well. You will not be able to have in camera playback so if you are on a job with less understanding clients its really not worth the trouble. If you are just filming your own work and you don't mind checking playback on a computer then its great. It doesn't help with the moire or aliasing at all. I love the image quality of my d600 but the aliasing and moire issues are significant. You really need to watch them. i would also note that the HDMI out is strictly 8 bit so if you are using a recoder (i use the atomos ninja 1 and it works great) you will not see as huge of a jump as you expect. The in camera h.264 files are for the most part as good. I only use the recorder for either long takes like live events, green screen work, or things i know i will significantly grade. You will never got apeture control with g lenses in video mode. You will always have to turn off live view, adjust and then turn it back on. This is not something that can be addressed by a firmware hack because it is a limitation of the shutter mechanism. When you adjust it in photo live view the aperture doesn't change until the shot is fired. If you use older lenses that have the manual aperture ring you can adjust a setting to let you use that to control aperture but you have to use that in photos as well and you will lose half stops on your lens. So it will only go from 2.8 directly to 4, no 3.2 in between.
The other most annoying part about the d600 is really a nikon annoyance to me. The flange distance (lens element to sensor) is so large that you can not adapt many other brands to nikon cameras. That being said if you already have Nikon lenses they are a great investment due to their large flange distance. They can be adapted to a huge number of other mounts.
The other most annoying part about the d600 is really a nikon annoyance to me. The flange distance (lens element to sensor) is so large that you can not adapt many other brands to nikon cameras. That being said if you already have Nikon lenses they are a great investment due to their large flange distance. They can be adapted to a huge number of other mounts.
Ebrahim Saadawi
Carbonite Member
Higher bit rate hack makes close to zero difference (flat out zero to my eyes). Aperture control during liveview is a hardware limitation, the lever can't be engaged while the mirror is up, so no hack is going to fix that unfortunately. Anyhow, great camera for close-ups/people/shallow FF shots but terrible for wide detailed scenery.
Da Media Man
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@Ebrahim Saadawi +1
I have the Nikon D600 a bit soft for video and you need to be careful with moire and aliasing, but as stated above great for Shallow DOF/Lowlight performance. I also have the Nikon D750, if you can spring a little extra cash go for the D750 better camera all the way around. Histogram for video, easier custom white balance method for video, change aperture in live view, tiltable screen etc. For stills the lowlight focusing is better then the D600. The D600 will hunt a bit in lowlight situations (Dark Restaurants, Weddings etc) and although I have and a solution for that it requires adapting something else to my camera.
That being said If I were to purchase a full frame camera for video/stills today and knowing what I know now about the D600/D610 video limitations. I would go straight to the Nikon D750 or D810 for that matter and not even consider the D600/D610. For stills the Nikon D600 is great here is a fairly recent Low-Key Portrait that I took with the Nikon D600.
Ever tried zooming or reframing an H.264 video in post? Here's what you might see:
https://nikonhacker.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1898
Also, Nikon bitrate hacks up to around 30Mbps do play back properly in camera. Aside from playback issues, the only real drawback to increasing bitrate up to 64Mbps is the reduction in maximum recording duration. As with many DSLR's the maximum video file size on Nikons is 4GB, and there is no support for file-spanning.