'Cylinder Lock' and Flashing 'X' troubles (Documenting my experience for others.)

ShawnM

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I want to document the problem I just had with my DVX100A for others who may learn by it and also if others think I did the right thing.

I was rolling the second or third shot of the day and I see a red circle with a white 'X' flashing in the upper left corner. I play back the footage we had recorded that day and I hear faint but definitive digital noise in both audio channels, but the picture is fine. I also watched the footage I had taken the previous day but it was completely clean (video and audio). I look up the flashing 'X' to discover that it means the cylinder head is dirty. I didn't own a cleaning cassette and this was Easter Sunday so there was no way to get one. I read Barry's post about manually cleaning the heads and decided this was the best bet for resolving my problem. (link to head cleaning post: http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=6889)

The next day I went out seeking the correct solutions and tools at Radio Shack. The only cleaning solution they had was a bottle that came with a CD cleaning kit that listed 'Isopropanol' as the only ingredient. I took this to mean that this was the only ingredient and that it was pure, but looking back I should not have assumed as much. It probably contained water.

So I used this solution to clean the heads as described in Barry's post. I let it dry for about 5 or 10 minutes then powered it up and put a tape in. Immediately I heard an abnormal squealing noise and the message "AUTO OFF, CYLINDER LOCK." appeared. I ejected the tape and pulled it out, but it had not put the tape back inside the cassette. The tape appeared to have dirt or moisture marks on it.

I tried a new tape and the same thing happened.

I brought it down to the nearest Panasonic recommended repair place (Nivie Electronics -- nivie.com -- for those of you in the NY area). I figured a proper cleaning would be all that was necessary but they told me that the recording cylinder needed to be replaced. The total parts and labor were $576.

Since several people reported clearing up the 'Cylinder Lock,' error by either waiting or power cycling the unit I almost feel like I'm being ripped off, but then again, my camera did eat two tapes and I did clean the heads with questionable fluids.

So...

A) Does anyone else feel like I may be getting ripped off? Could my risky cleaning job have really ruined the heads?
B) Don't clean your camera unless you know what you're doing! (Though this may have been a severe problem with my camera that had nothing to do with my cleaning of the heads).
C) Be ready for potential camera errors / cleaning errors in the middle of your shoot. Huge lesson learned there on my part.


Hopefully this experience helps someone else in the future.
 
From your post, it's hard to decipher the full story, but I would NOT use any cleaning solution of questionable content. Either a pure solvent or a formulation specifically intended for magnetic recording heads should be used. It sounds like you had a head clog problem, you used an improper cleaning solution and possibly made the problem worse by not cleaning the tape path completely, or leaving some objectionable residue behind. For whatever reason, the service center determined you needed new heads. What kind of history of tape use did you have? Do you mix brands of tape? There may be some other factors here.
 
Shawn, this is a common mistake. You've put water inside your camera because the cleaning solution wasn't pure. I am quite sure that when tape stuck to the cylinder because of the water in there that doesn't dry by itself in 5-10 mins, one of the chips gave up, it happens. When you are on site and get dirty heads, a quick fix is a cleaning tape. If you can wait, gat the camera cleaned with proper stuff and don't do it yourself if you have doubts you can do it properly.
 
The camera has logged only 48 hours but is one year old. I have mixed tapes, yes. I initially used 3 or 4 cheap JVC tapes before reading that only MQs should be used and have used MQs ever since without a problem. I guess I find it hard to believe that I actually ruined the heads to the point of needing replacement but I also concede I am not an expert with the internal mechanics of a video camera. So long as it seems plausible that I did indeed damage the heads, I'll feel a little better about the money spent. But the skeptic in me thinks that they're just replacing the heads by default without trying to properly clean it first...
 
i wish the camera came with cleaning tape, i have heard that the dvx-100 came with a cleaning tape whereas both my dvx-100a's just came with a panasonic mq tape.

i think it would be nice if they gave you both!

i've only used the cleaning tape once and then my camera went in for an unrelated problem (blown firewire port) i asked the panasonic authorized tech to clean it for me and i'd pay him but when the camera was done he said it didn't need cleaning it was spotless.

my camera had well over 80 hours at that point so i'm wondering if people are overcleaning their cameras?

i mean if you've swapped tape brands and/or you get a warning message to clean that is obviously a different story, but if you've always used the mq tapes and been fairly careful about what environments you use and store your camera in how much cleaning does it need?

matthew
 
On the 2nd shoot with my DVX100a a red circle with an x in the centre appeared on playback, I am not sure if this is the same probelm as the previous post. The tape was a wedding shoot, so after going grey in 5 seconds, I rewound the tape and pressed play, this time the red circle was gone and the tape played back OK. I can not find an explanation for the warning and it has not repeated it's self. For important shoots I am considering a Firestore and I have started using hair colour restorer...

Mike
 
I forgot to mention European DVX's do include a Panasonic cleaning tape and a 5400 battery. Yet to use the tape though..
 
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