So i have a shoot this sunday, and i will need to shoot in the dusk outside. From what i have gathered, highest ISO is best shot in custom mode. But what settings will closest match those of the CineEI? This is not a short film/cinema story, so colors that are 5% off from the interior shots just before are perfectly OK. But are there a consensus about ball-park area settings?
FS7: Custom for high ISO - closest settings to CineEI?
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morgan_moore
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Slog 3
matrix OFF
NR.. mid
anything else you can find.. OFF
thats all
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matrix OFF
NR.. mid
anything else you can find.. OFF
thats all
S
More effective would be to replace the f\4 lens with an f\.95 lens. Turns night into day.
True that
But it also turns the shoot into focus nightmare.The scene is a boy fishing in a lake in dusk, with norwegian mountains and forests in the background. I hoped to shoot the mountains semi-sharp, or at least while they are possible to see behind the boy.
But the lens will be Sigma 35 f/1.4 Art, i reckon.
Slog 3
matrix OFF
NR.. mid
anything else you can find.. OFF
thats all
S
Cheers!
basspig
Veteran
True that
The scene is a boy fishing in a lake in dusk, with norwegian mountains and forests in the background. I hoped to shoot the mountains semi-sharp, or at least while they are possible to see behind the boy.
But the lens will be Sigma 35 f/1.4 Art, i reckon.
That's a pretty fast lens too, and DoF will be quite shallow as well. But I'd rather have to work harder on focus than to deal with sensor noise.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Have you ever tested Slog3 custom 4000 or 8000?
Way less noise than under exposed EI.
Your .95 lens concept is a joke for actually shooting 90% of shots.
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Nirv
Carbonite Member
I tested 6400 and thought it was clean enough to not bother with any extra noise removal.
I hope Dennis is wrong and Sony bring .cine gamut to Custom mode it would be the icing on the cake.
The future will be variable ISO cameras. Very low noise allowing exposure to be set by ISO value rather than aperture. The FS100 had its moments like that and I'd much rather Sony went down that path than the resolution path to 8K.
basspig
Veteran
Yes, I did quite a bit of experimenting with Custom mode. Hated it. Even with noise reduction at maximum setting, the noise was just too much.
I have shot some night scenes at 500 ISO in Cine EI with the f/.95 that look as clean as if they were shot in direct sunlight. 2000 ISO and there's some noise there that I start to find objectionable. Of course, I was shooting by the light of an 18 watt LED that was 150' behind me and dimly illuminating the scene across the road. I also attempted this shot in Custom, but could not get it to look as clean.
Other tests I did with night sky shots. Stars have magenta borders around them that make them look like hot pixels in Custom. This effect is completely gone in Cine EI, so I use that mode whenever shooting the sky.
I suppose some noise could be gotten away with if the delivery isn't 4K, but downsampled to BD or DVD. But I find noise distracting and try to expose in such a way as to avoid it as much as possible. The FS7 is pretty clean at 500 ISO. Really nothing to complain about at that speed. That's using the HG7 LUT baked in. I set up my gain for 500 (L) 2000 (M) and 3200 (H) position on the gain switch.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Well here is my assessment of EI versus Custom.. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33167160/FstopDark.jpg
Make your own choices.
Make your own choices.
basspig
Veteran
If the NR feature is as subtle as it is in Custom mode, it won't be much help. While it does take the sharper edges off the noise, the noise is still very much there, even in the viewfinder. I wish it worked as well as those Neat Video demos but I suppose that's asking too much of the on board processing engine. As it stands, I can barely tell the difference between no NR and NR on it's highest setting.