Cp.2 super speeds!!!

I want to know if that CP.2 50 T1.5 is the same as the ZE/ZF 50/1.4. Because if it is, it's crap wide open.
Super speed, great. Their conventional 50/1.4, no way.

By the way, when are some of these interviewers going to start asking a few hardball questions?
It's all lobbing softballs at these manufacturers and every single interview done with one, whether FreshDV, Landmines, Cinema5d, etc. sounds exactly the same.* Pointless to even have varied converage then. Pure rehearsed marketing pitches and no real interaction, do not make for stimulating watching.

A few more serious questions would be helpful. I know I would stay tuned in that case.
Why not ask Blackmagic for instance, why certain obvious choices are missing like M43 mounts and hdmi for 3rd party EVF's ?
Or asking Redrock about why it has taken two years to get out the microremote, which won a Black Diamond at NAB in 2010?
Why not ask Steve Weiss, why their EVF only has one year guarantee on it, while everything else is lifetime at Zacuto, or whether it really is "Made in America" like they so proudly proclaim as a selling point for their products?

A little more journalism and a little less old boy camaraderie, would certainly be appreciated.


*(FreshDV is the worst though, by the way. Interrupting each interview twice to run the list of their sponsors which is already at the beginning of each video)
 
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yoclay said:
I want to know if that CP.2 50 T1.5 is the same as the ZE/ZF 50/1.4. Because if it is, it's crap wide open.
Super speed, great. Their conventional 50/1.4, no way.

By the way, when are some of these interviewers going to start asking a few hardball questions?
It's all lobbing softballs at these manufacturers and every single interview done with one, whether FreshDV, Landmines, Cinema5d, etc. sounds exactly the same.* Pointless to even have varied converage then. Pure rehearsed marketing pitches and no real interaction, do not make for stimulating watching.

A few more serious questions would be helpful. I know I would stay tuned in that case.
Why not ask Blackmagic for instance, why certain obvious choices are missing like M43 mounts and hdmi for 3rd party EVF's ?
Or asking Redrock about why it has taken two years to get out the microremote, which won a Black Diamond at NAB in 2010?
Why not ask Steve Weiss, why their EVF only has one year guarantee on it, while everything else is lifetime at Zacuto, or whether it really is "Made in America" like they so proudly proclaim as a selling point for their products?

A little more journalism and a little less old boy camaraderie, would certainly be appreciated.


*(FreshDV is the worst though, by the way. Interrupting each interview twice to run the list of their sponsors which is already at the beginning of each video)
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+10. Is there any news about the TVlogic EVF?
 
These lenses are very soft when shot wide open. Much like the old Super Speeds. If you listen closely the Zeiss rep admits as much when he says they are good for "portraits" when open and for other use when stopped down a couple of stops.
 
Regarding the journalism aspect of this videos: this isn't journalism. The target demographic for this videos is a professional market. And a professional demographic doesn't need investigative journalism. We are professionals, we can "reed between the lines"! There is a difference between doing products for a non pro or a pro demographic. The people doing this videos are probably not journalists either so don't expect them to have the same mindset as a journalist to.

But I do agree that this videos would benefit from a different approach - such as the one suggested in this thread - they would, if nothing else, be more fun to watch. This is a new thing that we are doing - these online videos. So, this is a new field and it's still evolving. It's going to happen, don't worry about that. But it's never going to be like investigative news, because (as I've said it) we are a professional demographic.
 
His singling out only the 35mm "super speed" as a brand new optical design makes me think the 50 & 85 are not.

I've said my peace more than once on the amount of money Zeiss is making rehousing mediocre stills lenses so I won't go on about how I'll feel if they really are "double dipping" on the 50 & 85.

A more interesting discussion would be whether the 70-200 & 135 are rehousings of existing stills lenses like the other Compact Primes and, if they aren't, how their quality compares.
 
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Paul Hudson said:
These lenses are very soft when shot wide open. Much like the old Super Speeds. If you listen closely the Zeiss rep admits as much when he says they are good for "portraits" when open and for other use when stopped down a couple of stops.
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As far as I know, most if not all lenses suffer wide open. Most lenses hit there sweet spot stopped down a little. Affordable T1.5 lenses with swappable mounting options and cinema lens mechanics... how can you say no?
 
sometimes they sacrifice too much to lower the t-stop, so the lens wont be as sharp(compared to other lens) at f2.8, sometimes at f4, and sometimes they start being unusable at f11 instead of f16. so it's not just a lens soft wide open, it could be softer across the board. and the lens might have more artifacts as well.
 
I have two of the SuperSpeed Compact Primes, (well, they're CP1's, and they're identical to the new SuperSpeed CP2's, as verified by Zeiss) and yes they definitely get softer wide open, and a little more chromatic aberration is possible. So? That's what lenses do, that's what they've always done, and that's what the SuperSpeeds did. That's what the Voigtlander 25mm f/0.95 does.

If you want the best performance from ANY lens, don't use it wide-open. Stop it down a little. Even a half-stop can make a big difference, and usually a full stop down gets you a huge increase in performance. That's the way lenses have always been designed, and a standard policy is that if you want the sweet spot of the lens, you should be stopped down at least two stops from wide-open, and no more than two stops from fully closed.

The nice thing about them restoring the SuperSpeed's 1.5 t-stop is that at least you CAN open up, if you need to. But if you don't need to, don't. Use them at 2.0 and you'll get noticeably better performance than at T1.5.
 
Barry_Green said:
I have two of the SuperSpeed Compact Primes, (well, they're CP1's, and they're identical to the new SuperSpeed CP2's, as verified by Zeiss)
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Wait, are you actually saying the old CP1's from several years back are IDENTICAL to the JUST-ANNOUNCED SuperSpeed CP2s?

How can that be?

The 35mm, for example, is based on the optics from the Distagon f/1.4 - which only came out in recent months.
 
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Wait, are you actually saying the old CP1's from several years back are IDENTICAL to the JUST-ANNOUNCED SuperSpeed CP2s?
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The 50 and 85 are, yes.

The 35mm, for example, is based on the optics from the Distagon f/1.4 - which only came out in recent months.
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That's the new one. The other two are reissues of the originals.
 
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