Coronavirus Impact

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Yeah, obviously this can't continue for months on end. Again, I think shutting things down for a few weeks is an attempt to flatten the curve of cases flooding hospitals, which may work to a degree. This guys study shows that it is slowing the doubling time of the virus, which is encouraging.

https://www.danreichart.com/covid19

Most people are going to get this virus at some point, just hopefully not all at the same time. Still, I woke up in the middle of the night in a bit of a panic. I've never owned a gun or kept weapons in the house, but I started to envision the worst case scenario, where society breaks down on a fundamental level and people start fighting over food and resources and realized I'm woefully unprepared for that scenario.
 
Thefilmaddict, your evolution on viewing this is interesting. Your viewpoint evolved faster than the virus did. Your first few posts had me warming up the ban hammer because it looked like you were spiraling along a familiar path.

That last post was epic and should be required reading for every idiot who's out there partying for Spring Break while the hospitals are a war zone in Italy. Our infection rate is tracking exactly with Italy's right now; if you want to see what life for us will be like in 8 days, you can likely get a good idea by looking at Italy today.

If that doesn't wake you up to the threat, then maybe we're witnessing Darwinism on a mass scale. We're living in the most informed society in history, and a large portion of the society is simply choosing to ignore it. Fascinating.
 
We're very lucky that this virus isn't worse. I can't imagine what our society would look like if what was going around was as virulent as the 1918 spanish flu. I doubt I'd see so many folks on facebook raging against the bars being closed on St. Patty's.
 
Today I was in a photostore, a girl was working with some black and white negatives. 'That is uberhip' I said. And after buying an sd card I asked: 'can I pay cash? or shall I use my card?" No problem said the girl, I don't believe in viruses!
I told her that wasn't very smart. No she said, I don't believe in it.

Stupidity is everywhere...
 
robmneilson said:
We're very lucky that this virus isn't worse. I can't imagine what our society would look like if what was going around was as virulent as the 1918 spanish flu. I doubt I'd see so many folks on facebook raging against the bars being closed on St. Patty's.
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It is just as virulent as the 1918 flu, the mass deaths in 1918 came in the second winter of the pandemic.
There is some question as to whether a vaccine can be developed. Corona viruses cause about half of all colds, but many transfer no long term immunity. You can get the same cold over and over. We don't know about this one yet, but a vaccine may well be useless as fast as it mutates.

One ray of hope: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china
 
robmneilson said:
We're very lucky that this virus isn't worse. I can't imagine what our society would look like if what was going around was as virulent as the 1918 spanish flu. I doubt I'd see so many folks on facebook raging against the bars being closed on St. Patty's.
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It is roughly as virulent, but the Spanish Flu targeted the young and healthy most aggressively, so we definitely would be seeing a much difference response from youth if it was like the Spanish Flu.
 
Batutta said:
It is roughly as virulent, but the Spanish Flu targeted the young and healthy most aggressively, so we definitely would be seeing a much difference response from youth if it was like the Spanish Flu.
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Young people can carry it for days or weeks without showing symptoms but still be spreading it.
 
Razz16mm said:
Young people can carry it for days or weeks without showing symptoms but still be spreading it.
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Yes, but the Spanish Flu KILLED the young and healthy in the greatest numbers. If you had a stronger immune system, the Spanish Flu made it go into overdrive creating what is called a cytokine storm, which was deadly. The old and the already infirmed were mostly spared the most severe effects. So it's the inverse of what is happening with Covid-19.
 
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Razz16mm said:
It is just as virulent as the 1918 flu, the mass deaths in 1918 came in the second winter of the pandemic.
There is some question as to whether a vaccine can be developed. Corona viruses cause about half of all colds, but many transfer no long term immunity. You can get the same cold over and over. We don't know about this one yet, but a vaccine may well be useless as fast as it mutates.

One ray of hope: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/17/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-underway-seattle-photos-first-shots/5065909002/
 
The UK wanted to pursue a herd immunity let nature take its course strategy. Then they realized 500,000 people would die.

Too many required hospitalizations at once leads to unnecessary deaths, not just from coronavirus but for people with other sicknesses and injuries as well, because there isn't enough capacity to treat them.

So the UK reversed course and is now doing what everyone else is doing. My hope is that a combination of effective treatments being worked out + growing herd immunity will let the economy open back up in 2 months.

Pretty sure I'm almost fully recovered from coronavirus now, but I couldn't get tested to find out if that's what I had. I'm in a NYC suburb and there's lots of virus around.

All March shoots were postponed for me. Just doing remote editing now, about 15% of the work I had booked.
 
The whole point of social distancing and shutting down public spaces is to prevent deaths in the elderly and to make sure hospitals are not overwhelmed with everyone getting sick at once.

Here's a nice simulation that shows how social distancing greatly helps: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Since this virus attacks the lungs, there is the need to use ventilators for the sickest of cases. The last estimate puts the amount of ventilators available at less than 150,000 in the U.S.! The UK has only about 5,000! Plus, you need a trained person monitoring the machine. https://fortune.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-ventilator-shortage/


Doctors in Italy have already had to make choices about who to keep on ventilators: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/

Social distancing is the key to make sure we're not overwhelming hospitals and help to keep people from dying: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ed-number-ventilators-if-coronavirus-n1161896

We are going to face economic consequences for shutting things down, but the alternative is that more people will die.
 
The double whammy of this event is the economics. I've always tucked away at least enough money to be self-financed for at least six months if not more. That was an important rule for me. My wife and I always lived below our means. We bought a lesser house, we waited until we had cash to buy a car. I suppose we are the weird exception to the norm. I don't understand living any other way. It seems so stupid to be under the constant burden of debt.

Back in the day, I would imagine a good percentage of the people could live like us if they wanted to, but most preferred not to. But today is such a different economic world. When I hear how much many people make, I can't understand how they make ends meet. A large percentage of the people must truly live paycheck to paycheck and it's not their weak financial planning; it's just the way it is. There is such a short path to financial ruin these days.
 
COVID-19 - Fujifilm is coming to the rescue; who knew? -https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/fujifilm-shares-skyrocket-china-says-090303639.html
 
DLD said:
Tonight's Florida update - 216 positives (from 170 yesterday, although that was in the morning ... still a big jump), 7 dead (all elderly and in poor health, except the last one with no details yet given)...
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Big spike in Florida overnight, up to 314. As predicted, South Florida (Miami-Dade with 76, Broward with 80 and Palm Beach with 19) is now outpacing the rest of the state. That's roughly 50% of the positives from about 30% of the population. 73 is travel related, 50 from contact with the confirmed cases.
 
James0b57 said:
How do freelancers deal with lost work?
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Live off of rainy day savings. If you freelance and don't have a good amount of savings set aside, you've been doing it wrong.



Paul F said:
The double whammy of this event is the economics. I've always tucked away at least enough money to be self-financed for at least six months if not more. That was an important rule for me. My wife and I always lived below our means. We bought a lesser house, we waited until we had cash to buy a car. I suppose we are the weird exception to the norm. I don't understand living any other way. It seems so stupid to be under the constant burden of debt.

Back in the day, I would imagine a good percentage of the people could live like us if they wanted to, but most preferred not to. But today is such a different economic world. When I hear how much many people make, I can't understand how they make ends meet. A large percentage of the people must truly live paycheck to paycheck and it's not their weak financial planning; it's just the way it is. There is such a short path to financial ruin these days.
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Fortunately I also live below my means so I really just need about two days of work per month to support my living expenses, and have enough money saved to survive with no income for around 6-12 months (closer to 12 or more assuming jobs that I've already done still pay me).

I feel even low income people, making $20k-$30k per year, still chose to live pay check to pay check, with no real savings set aside. Many of my friends who are PAs making low income or work at restaurants, still throw away money by eating out regularly, going to movie theaters and buying expensive concessions, buying alcohol and other drugs, etc. These are choices they make to not set aside an extra couple hundred or so per month. I've done well financially lately, but I still avoid eating out whenever I can as grocery store food is cheaper and often better. I also avoid spending money on hotels. I guess everyone has different non-essential things they like to throw away money on, but that's always a choice since it's non-essential, and if you choose non-essential things over having a rainy day fund, that was a choice too.

I have some friends who work for me at a low $12 an hour doing house work or other menial jobs, and then during lunch break they go and spend $10 on fast food or $6 at Starbucks, blowing around an hour of their $12 an hour work, when they could have brought food from home that would have cost $2-$3 or less per meal. I offer them my home food as well but they often would rather spend on eating out. And yet, then they complain they're poor.

I'm just glad I never got into drugs or alcohol. Talk about a money pit, even amidst low income people.
 
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May be some funds available to freelancers, through this generic stimulus.but not sure how self employed people get unemployment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/18/trump-coronavirus-economic-plan/

This is not a question of political views, or frugal living, this is simply looking to explore ways that can help video freelancers.

I know for some, the idea of sharing an alternative income idea may not work in their interest, as that would invite competition. So, share alternative income ideas, at your own discretion.
 
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