color correction to LCD monitor?

bleutunalimited

bleutunalimited

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ok, so i'm putting together my system and am trying to figure out how I want to go about handling color correction. Now I can't afford a true NTSC monitor so I know it won't be TRUE color correction, but something is better than nothing right?

okay, so I am trying to figure out if a LCD computer monitor using DVI that is 1900x1200 (w/e) (the ones labeled as HD) is the same as correcting to an LCD HD TV that supports 1080i thru the use of the $250 black magic HDMI out card.

and then, if the answer is just to get the LCD computer monitor with DVI that is "HD" what do I get? I've been reading about how you should get S-IPS for true color and that "some" of the Dell monitors are, but some aren't. No one seems to know from what I've read. I asked apple and they didn't know what S-IPS was. sigh.

then, if I'm looking at an LCD HDTV, i see something that says it does 1080i but the resolution of the TV is like 1300xsomething??? weird.

so my questions are:
is color correcting to an HD monitor thru DVI the same as doing it with HDTV with HDMI?

How can I tell if a monitor is S-IPS, and is this really that important?

My budget is between $600-$1000, please help me make the right choice!

oh, and can all of this be a moot point if i just get any monitor that does above 1900px and just get a color spider?

(p.s. I will be connecting this to a MAC PRO with the ATI raedon x1900, I already have a Dell 20" at 1680x1050.)

Thanks!
 
I would like to know this as well. I just sold my sd dsr 250 and plan on getting an A1. I just built a quad core work station and I am lacking the HD monitor. I also want something that handles sd ok as well as HD. what things should we look for?
 
I got a Samsun 23" HDTV LCD. Not full 1080hd, only 720, but for the price its not bad. $450.
I know someone here was looking at either the Dell 24" or the new Gateway 24", which both are full 1080 capable and I beleive are somewhere around 600 to 700. I might look in to that myself in the future. for now the samsung is the only thing I could afford. I also use it for a field monitor.
I wasn't impressed with the color rendition of it so far, but I need to calibrate it.
maybe get the spyder tool to calibrate it.
 
To the best of my knowledge an LCD can not be color calibrated. You can adjust brightness and contrast but thats it. Color calibration can only be down on a tube, though I have heard that there is a flat being released in the near future that can be color calibrated.
 
I don't believe that is true Gopher, I can alter the red green and blue in my current LCD. I think that the calibration is limited though. And some of the older LCD did not have a good Contrast ration. (now they are better.) also some of the older lcd did not have a quick response time and motion looked burry. I think the new ones fix this.
But my Samsund does not seem to have enough latitude regarding the color calibration. Again maybe with a device to properly calibrate it I might do better.
 
My statement comes form a photoshop guru who knows this stuff inside and out, I'll see him wed so I'll ask him the details. When I had asked him that question before he was rather emphatic that an LCD can not be color calibrated, that is why he has two large CRTs on his desk along with his flat panels.
 
Gopher,

I'm sure your friend knows more than me. I bet the reason he is using CRTs is because they have more accurate color than LCD's. That is not to say that LCD cannot be calibrated. If that were the case, I'm sure this company would have been sued a long time ago:

http://www.colorvision.com/product-whichsolution.php?gclid=CK3RuJ2tt4sCFQsnYQodTCSuyw

LCD and Plasmas (more LCD than plasmas) have historically been know to not be able to reproduce the grey areas well (shadows, etc..) but the new sets are coming out with much better contrast ratios (the new tv have 10,000:1) and are reproducing color much better.

Here is a panasonic Professional LCD which is used by the pro. (unfortunately its just too expensive for me. )

http://www.abelcine.com/store/product.php?productid=11079 or this site
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Search&A=details&Q=&sku=399256&is=REG&addedTroughType=search

which states that it has "Faithful color reproduction - closely matches chromatic ranges of CRT monitors" I'm sure if its good enough to color correct for the pros, it should be good enough for most of us here on DVXUser. At least for me. :)
 
I had about 5 min of time with the guru and there is no color calibration on LCDs. With that said, he states that some of the "faithful color reproduction" especially the panasonics are close enough to true color out of the box that he would use them in color production. The technology for the flat panel "crt" is tied up in some legal proceedings and probably won't be out for a while. The fact is though, there is no color calibration of LCDs. If you want true color calibration you have to go to a tube where the individual gun voltages can be calibrated. Hopefully the calibration of LCDs will be developed soon, because it's getting much tougher to get CRTs.

Like I say this guy is a guru in the photoshop and print world, he is a beta tester for many software and hardware companies, so take it for what its worth.
 
If your end product matters...

NEVER do final CC on a computer monitor. They just don't cut the grade.

If you can't afford a real monitor (and not many of us can) finish your cut, and get "close" to the look you think you want with your color etc. etc.

Then, when you have picture lock RENT a good, properly calibrated monitor. It shouldn't take more than a day for final color grading and it won't break the bank.
 
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