Cinema EOS Announcement on 19th Jan - EOS R5C

Film is chemical and analog and imperfect, it has layers and it is reactive in a ever slightly changing way.

out eyes are constantly reinterpreting what we see.


and with digital, we spend a lot of time in post to make it look better.

now imagine if a digital camera had an adaptive AI aspect to it, and it behaved ever so slightly different depending on if the subject was in heavy back light, or hard light or soft light, or mixed light? or if the subject was of a certain age and either you wanted to accent the texture of aged skin or reduce the effects of aging?

or let’s say CMOS lacks a bit of that depth that film has, what if AI could synthesize some aspects of the color in real time?

all super subtle stuff that would give a little more romance to shooting digital. give it a more organic feel.

also, better processing will allow for more interesting use of doubling up frames. currrently there are bad motion artifacts from some types of frame sampling, such as HDR for video, but when processing gets better, we may see multi exposure become more invisible, and when the DP decides to use some ultra bright hard light, the camera can employ smart HDR and slow the hard light just enough to to make it feel right, instead of hard clipping.

but who knows, perhaps we’ll have better imaging tech by then amd won’t need all of that. we’ll see.
 
ahalpert said:
Ah. It just seems like the power/portability/cost advantages are so massive re: what you can do with flashes/strobes vs video lighting, especially in terms of modifying the light or lighting a wide area because you have so many lumens to begin with. But it's true that photographers enjoy using continuous lighting because it's easier to see what you're doing and simpler to work with, especially with multiple cameras, because there's no shutter speed restraints or triggering. But it's not like they don't own or don't use any flashes
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what I meant is that if you are to do a typical corporate vido and stills the lighting would go like this.. ( a typical corporate to me is a key though a 4.4 maybe an ap300 or some thing and a couple of scratches/lights pinging the background)

-light for video,
-add a couple of strobes to up power the video key light and background typically by bolting a strobe onto the keyligth stand and shooting it through the same diffuser, not having to add extra stands or scratchlights

you might drop an iso from a stills only shoot (1 stop more noise) but that is generally fine

Ive been on a big video shoot - Kylie or something - where they had a truck and genny.. here the (50kw of?) vid lights were making enough power to shoot stills which looked great against a sea and blue sky!
 
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I'm guessing those batteries won't last long given all the heavy lifting they are now doing.
 

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so why am I gonna sell my r6?

big hdmi.. anything else

aha.. a red button

ive just found out that you can assign the big button to 'shoot video' on the r6.. good stuff maybe ill paint it red

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joking aside the r6 is IMO good enough for the sort of work that one doesnt selct a cine camera for - i cant see using a morrorless for A on bigger jobs.
 
morgan_moore said:
so why am I gonna sell my r6?

big hdmi.. anything else

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I think one wants this if one wants to shoot internal raw or if you're in Canon and you're not satisfied by what you can currently get on r5/r6 without overheating. Or if you're in need of 8K. (Yes you can shoot 8K and raw on r5 but I understand the overheating is pretty bad in those codecs.)

Maybe maybe I would use 8K sometimes. Maybe it would be more than I think. Strictly for cropping potential. And if that were the case, I would really want to have 8k60 available and not just 24. Unfortunately I don't have much need for raw I don't think. For me eND would be so much more useful in a mirrorless body than raw
 
Looks like 8k60 requires external power source

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  • 8K/30p 12-bit RAW recording (8K/60p via external power source)"
 
ade4all said:
Mentions Enhanced Image Stabilization on Canon Rumours spec list but not IBIS, would be a shame
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this is an interesting aspect of the “Cine” badge on cameras today.

the traditional concept of a cinema camera is something with the highest level of image quality and all settings and such completely passive as to give the most control to the artist…. in a sense.

Things like auto focus, IBIS, auto iso, internal ND, auto WB are useful tools, even in cinema, but aren’t specific to cinema, and yet the “image quality” aspect often gets left a little under cooked. 12.5stops DR, 8bit, jello, conpression, overheating, etc.

It will be interesting to see what Canon marketing department considers “Cine” this year.

all in all, i really like that they are coming back to the 1DC concept, and making things like the C70, as well. These are long overdue positives.

I was one of the ones that “put your money where your mouth is” when i bought a 1DC, i believed in the trajectory of that philosophy over the brain box modularity.

So, even if the R5C is an expensive R5 with an extra codec, i like the angle and i like where it could lead. Canon burned us by discontinuing the 1DC, so i have no interest in buying into Canon on good faith ever again, but color me optimistic with this announcement.
 
I am hoping R5C price is right. I hope the battery life is good. As I will need some backup batteries and lot of cards.

Hybrid shooter: I am one of the guys who quickly saw that C300 is better than 1DC and moved away from it. I needed to plugin XLRs into the camera for sound recording and didn't want any contraptions for sound. I had a Tascam and JuicedLink (what happened to that company?) but thought I want a proper camera for sound.

I started as a stills shooter and bought my first SLR exactly 30 years ago. I have been using Canon 1 series since the EOS 1V HS days. With slide the dynamic range was very less. So it was easy for me to jump into the original C300. I shoot in all kinds of weather conditions in incredibly dusty places. I am comfortable with Canon as I don't often have the luxury of sending a camera to for servicing and my equipment work despite taking a beating. The specs makes it a no brainer for my projects as well as client shoots. With covid lockdowns for the better part of 2 years, I don't depend on the corporate shoots anymore. Else, I have a team who also do the stills when I do the video. I also augment with a few stills wherever required. I remain the overall DP. In such client situations this camera will also fit. However, someone may argue that this is not true hybrid shooting as my teammate does the bulk of stills. I often spend more time in conducting interviews. We have lot many languages in India. So people think in their mother tongue and then translate and speak in english. You get some longwinded sentences. I often talk with them and suggest them to rephrase sentences. It works well. If client wants robotic teleprompter speeches then I am fine with it too. In such conditions the video guy can get time to shoot stills.


Now R5C fits the bill. If this camera can do unlimited 8K and 8K 60p then there would be lot of features shot in it. At least, lower budget ones in my level. The only challenge is some directors who have no f***ing clue about anything are rigid on shooting with master primes. Convincing people about lens options is one task. I am thinking about lens package for higher end applications with this camera. Would love to hear your views.

One challenge people will face is the Director will come with his iPhone and will tell you to get similar shot. The fellow doesn't know that we have to do a ton of lighting just to get what iPhone does with their software processing for images. So 8k raw even in lower budget shoots will be demanded. So yes there will be ton of investment in CFexpress cards.
 
ahalpert said:
I think one wants this if one wants to shoot internal raw or if you're in Canon and you're not satisfied by what you can currently get on r5/r6 without overheating. Or if you're in need of 8K. (Yes you can shoot 8K and raw on r5 but I understand the overheating is pretty bad in those codecs.)

Maybe maybe I would use 8K sometimes. Maybe it would be more than I think. Strictly for cropping potential. And if that were the case, I would really want to have 8k60 available and not just 24. Unfortunately I don't have much need for raw I don't think. For me eND would be so much more useful in a mirrorless body than raw
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For raw I have a canon c200. It has ND xlr and the leads dont poke out the side, also the evf relocates to the top bottom side of my gimbal

8k.. I see a use.. billboards at airports.. but I dont shoot that..

The sort of josbs than need raw or 8k one wants to be using a proper video camera typically

OK maybe it is good (better than the c200) and if i had to do some slider shots at a fancy hotel it might b worth a rent as is is lighter than a c500

so I can see 5% of people might see a rental value. 95% should get..
a) c2/3/500
b) an r6 and pocket the change.

On an electronic slider doing a hotel in a formal style it might be the thing.
 
mention any single Canon camera and i get bored, mention the C300iii/C500ii + R5/R6 type combos and i start to dream about the possibilities in work and jobs. Incredible eco system for professional work really.












For calm quiet indie type low budget shooters, such a cackling of big gear and multiple bodies turns me off though. i much prefer how lovely it was to be able to shoot almost anywhere with a 1DC/C70 type camera. Put a wirless recorder lav on the subject, and a small MKH8050 on the camera. everything including a prime lens can fit into some large pockets. haha. the ease and casual nature of filming translates into the production feel, and people can create without the typical “hut-hut-hut” busy busy stress of the big boys.

YMMV
 
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This is going to be an interesting release for understanding the market. When the R5 came out, all I read about was the overheating issue. It appears that Canon immediately started responding to the online complaints and modified the R5 so it doesn't overheat. Give the customer what they want, right? We'll see if anybody actually buys the R5C. If it is really just an R5 with an extra codec, fan, and no recording limit, my bet is that the market is actually quite small. To make up for it, Canon will have to price it in 1DC territory. Once again they will have shot themselves in the foot by responding to the customer without actually considering what that customer is willing to spend.

And I am really interested in some type of small C series camera. I really want to stop having my gimbal camera be a C500II. I am intrigued by the "13 assignable buttons" spec. I just can't stand using the camera touch screen to make camera adjustments anymore.
 
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