Cheap shotgun mic for video

Several thousand is a bit of an exaggeration, though certainly not the best, good sound can be achieved using an NTG2 or one of a few Audio Technica models.
Not all that much of an exaggeration. You must not have priced a Schoeps CMIT, the Sennheiser 8000 series, or a Neumann 'gun lately.
 
Hey Daviesgeek,

You should keep in mind that a shotgun mic is normally considered to be an "outdoor" mic, where a hyper-cardioid is used as an "indoor" mic.
 
Anything that reduces the amount of sound entering the side ports will reduce the directivity of the mic and paradoxically INCREASES the sensitivity to sound arriving from the sides and rear. Shotguns work by the cancellation of wavefronts inside the mic tube - sounds arriving from the sides get cancelled while sounds arriving from the front do not. Anything that interferes with the side ports interferes with that process.

Interesting assessment. Do you know where the mic capsule in a shotgun like my MKH416 is located? It's at the middle of the interferrence tube....
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...n-mic-anyway&p=2363454&viewfull=1#post2363454
 
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I have gone the cheap way too but is now upgrading. I can sell you my rode video mic pro for $150 and I'll give a free Rode boompole. Then just purchase a zoom h1 or you can even connect it to your camera with a cable which I will also give you for free. What do you guys think? Rode vmp on a boompole with a line into the camera for a budget option?
 
Yes, I've considered that. The shoot that I'm planning is primarily going to be outside, with some small parts being inside a car...
 
I would be interested...the same thing applies to your offer as the other one. I need time to talk it over with my business partner. Which boom pole is it? Can you post a link? And what are the advantages of the Rode VideoMic Pro over the Azden SGM-1X? I'd like a little more in depth pros/cons of each...thanks!
 
I am also wondering about the difference between an XLR connector (which the Azden has), as opposed to the Rode (which is a 3.5mm). I was trying to avoid 3.5mmmp, as I've heard that you get more interference with it, as compared to XLR. How concerned should I be about this?
 
Do you record to a field recorder with this mic? Or do you record on camera? From what I've heard, on camera is fine, but if you make the cord longer, it causes interference. I am going to be using a field recorder, so I do need to know...
 
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Several thousand is a bit of an exaggeration

No, it's not an exaggeration - the Schoeps SuperCMIT-2U is about $4,500 and the DPA 4017 is about $2,000, etc...



though certainly not the best, good sound can be achieved using an NTG2 or one of a few Audio Technica models.

Agreed, but at this price range I would certainly look at the new Sennheiser MKH 600 which was launched at IBC a couple of weeks ago - sells for about £250 (and it's *not* like the K6/ME66).
 
Do you record to a field recorder with this mic? Or do you record on camera? From what I've heard, on camera is fine, but if you make the code longer, it causes interference. I am going to be using a field recorder, so I do need to know...

A microphone mounted ON the camera is NEVER the right location. The exceptions to this fact are so few, they are of no significance.

What does "make the code longer" mean? If you mean "cord", then making it longer does NOT "cause interference" when done properly.
 
Yes, I meant cord. I do apologize, as it was typed on an iPad. :-) Fixed now…

making it longer does NOT "cause interference" when done properly.
How do I do it properly? What should I be doing to make sure I don't have extra hiss? (besides not having an AGC)
 
"Yes, I meant cord"
As in "microphone cable"?
If that's the case, all balanced in/outs of course. I prefer the Star-Quad type but a decent two-conductor shielded cable will usually get you at least 200 feet without problems. Don't buy into the mega-buck 'designer' cables, they are just a scam.
If your using unbalanced gear.. as short as possible.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I'm by no means a sound guy. So, how do I know what is unbalanced/balanced? How would I be able to tell?
 
No, it's not an exaggeration - the Schoeps SuperCMIT-2U is about $4,500 and the DPA 4017 is about $2,000, etc...

Basically no one uses that version of the CMIT, and two thousand is not several thousand. There are many shotguns in the $1000-$1500 in constant profesional use (416, CS3e, CS1, KMR81, MKH60/70, etc.) or less (816, NTG3, etc.).
 
A microphone mounted ON the camera is NEVER the right location. The exceptions to this fact are so few, they are of no significance.

Agreed



What does "make the code longer" mean? If you mean "cord", then making it longer does NOT "cause interference" when done properly.

The key thing here is "when done properly".

Extending the cable of an unbalanced on-camera mic. is a dangerous thing as the unbalanced cable can act as an antenna and pick up radio interference.

The correct way is to run a fully balanced extension cable with balancing/unbalancing transformers at each end.

Psudo-balancing can sometimes work - this involves using twin+screen balanced cable but only connecting the screen at one end.
 
Basically no one uses that version of the CMIT, and two thousand is not several thousand. There are many shotguns in the $1000-$1500 in constant profesional use (416, CS3e, CS1, KMR81, MKH60/70, etc.) or less (816, NTG3, etc.).

Er - it's over four thousand dollars, not two thousand - and that is certainly several thousand in my books.

To say that "no one uses that version of the CMIT" shows how little contact you have with professional sound recordists. The SuperCMIT is the only gun mic. that can cancel out the rear-facing lobe that other gun mics have and, because of this, is gaining in popularity with the discerning professional user.

If no one was using it, Schoeps would not have come out with the 2T improved version.

Yes, of course there are also good professional mics that are less than this, in the $1,000 to $1,500 price bracket you mentioned - but don't forget that you will also need a shockmount and basket windshield, which puts the price up. I never said that there were not mics at this price.

The 816, by the way, was a lot more expensive than the 416, not cheaper, and was discontinued 15 or so years ago.

Personally, I would go for the MKH 8060, which sells for $1,250 in the USA I see, as a good all-round RF condenser (and better than the 416 and 60 IMHO).

But I originally said "several thousand" to draw attention to how stupidly low $100 was, not saying that you have to spend this amount of money to get a good mic.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I'm by no means a sound guy. So, how do I know what is unbalanced/balanced? How would I be able to tell?

A balanced mic. normally has a 3-pin XLR connector.

An unbalanced mic. (in video recording terms) is normally a mic. designed for on-camera use and comes with a connected cable terminated with a mini-jack plug.
 
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