CHEAP DAYLIGHT: HID vs. BIAX vs. CFL: output and color shootout.

I've been meaning to do this for a while - semi-scientific testing of some affordable daylight sources.

I've been a fan of biax fluorescents for some time, which I own in duals and quads.

I also have 3 of those "alzo 800" open faced lights, claimed to be the equivalent of an 800-watt tungsten fixture, but 5300k. I also have one of their ballast and bulb combos which is really handy - I've even converted a 6" fresnel for it. People give the Alzo's a lot of hate - they're cold-restrike (but Richard at Cool Lights sells cold-strike HID's, right?) However, the Alzo lights themselves don't meet Richard's level of workmanship. The barn doors are a poor, rattling design, and the locking screws can fail, needing some loctite red - but picking them up used, they're a bargain. The restrike time is usually 3 - 4 minutes; warmup is about the same.

At $170, the Alzo bulb-ballast Combo beats Richard's bulb/ballast price more than two-to-one - different globes however. The Alzo setup may be preferable for some, as the bulb is the standard edison screw, great for Chinas and homebrew rigs. Richard's lamp is, however, much smaller, and likely great for special rigs that need a smaller size. And we all know how picky Richard is about CRI and quality. Both pull about 150 watts.

Like all HID lamps, the Alzo bulbs are double sheathed, the outer glass being frosted white - so even open-faced, they have some inherent softness. Richard's would be a better call for a fresnel conversion.

Lately I've also been using those huge-tube fluorescent bulbs in the 80-watt flavor, for things like China balls. Claimed to be a 250 watt equivalent. I've used them the most for green screens.

So, what's what with cheap daylight, at least the stuff I own? I'm always telling posters here to "test, test, test"...

The two "bulb" solutions - Alzo and 80-watt-flo - went in a light head that takes a 36x48 soft box. Inner baffle removed as these are each a bit soft out of the gate. I put the biax dual the same distance from the subject, but used a Matthews silk. (In all fairness, the silk I used was likely a quarter stop or so thinner than the softbox face).

SUBJECT: Black, white and gray color balance cards on black foamcore. About 18" from the softbox face.

CONTROL: I also tested a 500 watt tungsten globe in the softbox. But shooting with daylight balance, you get a nutty histogram and my exposure could have been a little hot.

EXPOSURE: With the varying outputs, I set exposure by histogram, based on the whites. I got each exposure's histogram as close to clipping white as possible without going over. With white balance set to daylight, on a Nikon D7000 with a 2.8 lens at 1/60th, 400 ISO.

RESULTS:
Below the photo I have some color rendering numbers, so scroll down.

light-test.jpg


LIGHT OUTPUT FROM LOW TO HIGH:


Twin Biax: F3.5
CFL 80: F4.5
500 Tungsten: F5.6 (No CTB, just raw light)
Alzo - a (comparatively) whopping F13

COLOR:
I blurred the white and gray areas to average the pixels. I used CMYK readings from Photoshop - CMYK gives (me at least) a clearer picture of color balance and possible filtration solutions.

Twin Biax:
CMYK white: 1 1 3 0
CMYK gray: 15 12 26 0

Noticeable yellow shift. A mild violet or magenta would help here.

CFL 80:
CMYK white: 2 1 1 0
CMYK gray: 20 8 19 0

Yellow in the highs, green mids. Minus green could help, though this is a better result than an old-school green flo. I've used these with a light rose on faces and it rendered nicely.

500 Tungsten: F5.6 (No CTB, just raw light - had I shot this tungsten balanced, I suspect I'd be closer to f8 or so...)

Alzo:
CMYK white: 2 1 0 0
CMYK gray: 18 13 12 0

A bit blue, but seems like a better balance overall than the contenders. And visually, it looks more pleasing that the competition. I'd say Alzo's 800 watt claim isn't hype.

Hope that helps as you hunt for cheap daylight.
 
Excellent work! I've always been interested in the Alzo bulb/balast combo. I might have to pick one up.
 
How did the conversion of the fresnel do?

It's a pretty awesome light. Decent lens size (it was an L&E 750, about a 6" lens - Altman labels this one as their theatrical fresnel - I have like four of 'em). I found one on eBay, brand new, $30 with a chipped, cracked socket. Took out the ceramic BTR style socket and bolted a ceramic Edison to the flood/spot slider. The Alzo Ballast has a 3-prong output to your lamp, and has a red light that triggers if the light won't strike due to heat or grounding. (No wiring required at the ballast, it's all standard household plugs). You can do like a 1/4 minus green or light rose in the gel frame, very very handy light to have.

I've stuck the Alzo bulb in Chinas, and I'm fiddling with ideas using square PVC pipe & fittings (that stuff's awesome, order it in black and it loses the DIY look) to make some sort of coop or pancake.

I really have used the hell out of those Alzo 800's; doing music video and needing a hard, blue hair light, I stick a cyan party-color gel in and they look great when shooting daylight and needing white or blue light that's fairly hard.
 
Great job! Thanks for posting.

I'm up there with the others who were interested in the Alzo, but were afraid to test it.

Does your nikon give exact # when you said "set to Daylight"?
 
You can set the Nikon manually by Kelvin temp, but I just used the daylight preset - not sure what digital camera makers consider "daylight", but it's the setting I use outdoors and with Speedotron strobes for stills, usually works fine.

I actually grabbed the ballast/bulb setup from an eBay seller, used - but it's had zero issues. The Alzo HID globes have a quiet "rattle" inside, which sounds like a burned out household bulb. But I have 5 bulbs, they all have that sound, and they all work fine. (The rattle is just when handling the globe, it's not like an HMI whine or similar - my guess is it's something in the casting of the glass, probably between the 2 layers of envelopes).
 
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Wouldn't putting one of those inside a fresnel cause a lot of light loss? I know fresnels are inherently inefficient, but it seems like with a frosted globe you would lose even more light since whatever light gets reflected off of the mirror will just hit the globe, not really pass back through it and out of the lens. Or is the light loss not big enough to steer you away from the benefits of having something that's daylight balanced?
 
Yes, fresnels are a tradeoff - inefficient, but that pretty lens. In my experience, having a daylight fresnel that (haven't tested it but guessing) seems equivalent to 500-600 watts, without CTB - for around $200-$220 depending on your donor light - is a no brainer. The fact that the ballast is external means you're not tied to the fresnel - it's there if you need it, or go to a china, an open face, etc.

Going with Cool Lights setup ($299 ballast + $30ish bulb) probably kicks up the efficiency of the fresnel (small bulb) - also a 150 watt solution that kicks out something in the 650 range. Richard sells a complete fresnel, but but the lens is about 4.5" - I like something a bit bigger in most cases. Same benefit of external ballast with his kit though, you could do a Fresnel and rig up some other uses with a cheap bi-pin base.

But overall - I use the hell outta that fresnel.
 
I thought of the fresnel trick a while ago too, but I was worried that the alzo bulb, which I believe is longer than the true HMI would either not fit or would produce an uneven beam because the reflector wasn't designed for a bulb of that size/shape.

How even is your beam from the fresnel when focused on a wall or other flat surface? But it seems like a dynamite cocept for ar china ball or soft box.
 
I thought of the fresnel trick a while ago too, but I was worried that the alzo bulb, which I believe is longer than the true HMI would either not fit or would produce an uneven beam because the reflector wasn't designed for a bulb of that size/shape.

How even is your beam from the fresnel when focused on a wall or other flat surface? But it seems like a dynamite cocept for ar china ball or soft box.

I've never done any real specific test, like aiming it at a white wall straight-on and judging the reflector/lamp/lens relationship. It's just a really butt-kickin' light - remember, we're not talking $1k, $500, $350 - getting the combo used and putting it in a $30 Altman (cheap because the socket was cracked - which I replaced anyway) made this about a $100 investment. I stick it up on a stand and point it down on someone's hair & shoulders, hit the rim of a cheekbone and it's just a "hell yeah" moment. Even at a more realistic $225-$250, I'd still be pants-wet happy.

Yeah, I really want a 575 HMI next, but that wouldn't be the right light for the things I use the Alzo'd fresnel for. For me, a very useful solution.

But doing that with the Cool Lights setup - more dollars and you'd likely need to work up something that gets that little bulb dead-center on the reflector. But if your donor fresnel was a solid piece with a good lens... that would be badass, and likely cover all the fresnel bases.
 
The Alzo is interesting, so I ordered one from Amazon to test.

Most likely this will end up in my woman's Stylist kit, but if I like it I might order some more. I'm especially interested in the 3 globe unit for a Chimera pancake/china ball.

Thanks,
Bern
 
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