Canopus report

icicle22 said:
Green Hornet,
Can you let us know what system specs are of the system you are testing it on? Both your laptop and Desktop. I am on the fence myself and look forward to hearing your results.

Peace!
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I just ordered it, and do not have it yet. I will let you know how it goes when i get it in a few days. It will be first put on a laptop P4 3.06 ghz processor 1 gig ram. Then put on a custom built desktop. With 256 or 512 video card pci express (didn't buy this yet). 2 gig ddr2 ram, 7200rmp sata drives. would like to get an AM2 chipset/motherboard, but won't be released untill june, so I may get something else depending on how the laptop runs.

In my privious post, I was refering to SD dv.
With that system, the canopus Raptor in one system and strom in the other.
The latter had a 1.8 gig processor I believe, and the raptor has (2) P3 1 gig cpus.
For DV, they work real time and are very stable.
Of course I can't use that for HD.

My laptop does edit HD using premiere 2.0 and ray light codec.
It just does not play back faster than about 15 frames/sec instead of 24p.
It only became that fast after adusting something in the video card parameters.
I relate this slowness to the raylight codec.
I am sure this will be as expected once the codecs are multithreaded for 64bit processing and dual processing. On the PC, the hardware it there, the software is just lacking.

Canopus has been working on this type of thing for years, I am sure it will edit just fine, but I will follow up.
 
Hey Green Hornet,
I use Edius at work with the HVX (I have 3 cameras) and this NLE works very well, but only if you use a dual processor Xeon and the Canopus hardware. You will be very pleased with the performance and render times. Lap tops and single processors??? I think you will struggle.

Jim
KRON-Tv, San Francisco
 
Guys is there any specific laptop than can come close to a workstation in terms of power with edius?

My experience of laptops are that they are always a bit sluggish, but I've not had a super powerful one.
 
mule ferguson said:
http://www.xtremenotebooks.com
Custom Gamming and Alien also sell some very fast laptops.
They are a little bit on the heavy as in "Delta Burk"


I use a Dual Core 4800/AMD
2g ram
200 0 raid
Edius Broadcast
Windows XP
Very fast
Mule Ferguson
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Thanks for that.

Is there a dedicated laptop spec/preferred chipset for optimum and minimum performance to cut DVCHD720 with EdiusBroadcast on a laptop?
 
JimJulian said:
Hey Green Hornet,
I use Edius at work with the HVX (I have 3 cameras) and this NLE works very well, but only if you use a dual processor Xeon and the Canopus hardware. You will be very pleased with the performance and render times. Lap tops and single processors??? I think you will struggle.

Jim
KRON-Tv, San Francisco
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You say "canopus hardware"...which hardware are you refering to?
My understanding is that any hardware is for capture and output via non-firewire means, or for HDV use, not DVCPRO HD.

I am not aware of any hardware the speeds up the panasonic or canopus HQ codec. If there is some hardware to do this, I would really like to know about it.
So far, I have not heard many who have canopus AND the HVX200.
Mule is the only one I know of, and I believe he has one bad A$$ laptop that cost like $4,500.

My feeling is once you get the ability to edit in real time with full frame playback, I can hold at that point untill something dramatically changes the speed.
It is not worth it to me to be the early adapter to obtain the fastest system, at the highest prices. I just need one step up from the minimum system....for now.
 
You say "canopus hardware"...which hardware are you refering to?
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I was talking to tech support about the hardware and yes; Edius relies on your GPU to work on the DVCPRO HD footage. The PCI-X cards don't speed up the realtime editing at all.

I'm thinking that it's not a solution for laptops. However, capturing the data in the field with a laptop and then bringing the data home and working it on your workstation would be fine.
 
BigMike said:
I was talking to tech support about the hardware and yes; Edius relies on your GPU to work on the DVCPRO HD footage. The PCI-X cards don't speed up the realtime editing at all.

I'm thinking that it's not a solution for laptops. However, capturing the data in the field with a laptop and then bringing the data home and working it on your workstation would be fine.
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I thought you were talking about an add on card of some sort (that I was not aware of them making). You stated that Edius relies on your GPU to work on the DVCPRO HD footage. DVCPRO HD is only supported in Broadcast, so I will assume that is what you mean.

The GPU is part of the video card, so how can it not speed up the performance.
If i got a faster video card (the gpu is faster). Unless the graphics is implimented in the northbridge (as in some cheaper systems), it should be faster. I believe many of the newer systems with high amounts of ram (over 64) for video are not shared, even in laptops.

In any case, I think we are both stating that the speed should increase in a desktop with a fast video card and high video card ram.

I also think that laptops over 64megs video ram, have dedicated ram for video and hence should also be faster.

Can't wait to get my broadcast to give a real world user report.

I think the software integration is what allows the mac to do this same thing with lower end systems. It seems as if Canopus is the only one who uses the open gl, or direct x to do this, and that is why it in theory should be a workable solution.

We will see.
 
" The PCI-X cards don't speed up the realtime editing at all.

I'm thinking that it's not a solution for laptops. However, "

The reason to have the fastest Processor and lots of Ram and 2 Sata Raid 0 Drives in the laptop. Canopus decided to go with software rather than hardware.
Ala Matrox, Adobe. To many conflicts. Yes I still have Matrox RT2500/Adobe 6.0 and Adobe 1.5/Matrox RT100.

The video card only gives you RT playback . some cards perform better with the 3d transitions included with Pro 3 Broadcast

I will say that if you want a laptop to hum, you have to have
2 7200 or 10.000 sata raid 0
Dual Core AMD Or Intel (the AMD runs cooler and a little faster)
2 G Ram
in the computer. Thats the reason my over priced computer cost so much. It almost like a Desktop

Mule:kali::kali:
 
I thought you were talking about an add on card of some sort (that I was not aware of them making). You stated that Edius relies on your GPU to work on the DVCPRO HD footage. DVCPRO HD is only supported in Broadcast, so I will assume that is what you mean.
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yes, that's what I mean, but they do make PCI X cards and breakout boxes that I believe are called edius NX with expansion pack.

I'm not sure Edius is for me and I've been considering Avid.

Went to a seminar last night and the guy in front of me asked how Avid Xpress Pro handles the DVCpro HD footage. The speaker answered sure it does, then in the same sentence mentioned adrenaline and Nitro, then quickly went to the next question.

I like my PC but I feel like the powers that be are trying to leverage me into buying a Mac! If I buy a Mac I need to buy a Biggie so I can do my After Effects work. Then, by next year, my new computer will be obsolete because they will have switched to the Intel chip. I don't want to buy a Mac.

So, Green Hornet, you and I are in the same PC boat. I'm trying to make a decision before Memorial Day. I have the biggest shoot of my pitiful life that day and I need solutions before then. If not for my computer platform, then a way to capture hours of footage in 720pn on three cameras!

It's all very frustrating!

Cuantos the Wrester (when he is incogneto) reminds me that it's better to be frustrated before you spend the money than after you spend the money. He ought to know, what with being a wrestler and all.

Hopefully a solution will present itself before then.
 
We use Canopus NX with expansion kit. This give us a component output to an HD monitor. Very, very important for double-checking color. I'm assuming that this card helps with render, playback, etc. but I have no data to prove how much faster.
 
I priced the Boxx system to the same goodies the Xtreme I purchased, and I bought it for $300.00 less. From the photos it lookes to be the same computer except fpr the logo plate on the top. the Xtreame has an X.
Extreme will also give you a 2% discount for paying with cash. I purchased with a bank draft.
Mule

"Real Men Wear Kilts"
 
BigMike said:
So, Green Hornet, you and I are in the same PC boat. I'm trying to make a decision before Memorial Day. I have the biggest shoot of my pitiful life that day and I need solutions before then. If not for my computer platform, then a way to capture hours of footage in 720pn on three cameras!

Hopefully a solution will present itself before then.
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yes it's called NAB at the end April. by then hopefully someone will have either answered your worries or manufacturers will have come up with some new solutions.

not sure how hard it is for you to get to Vegas but it's about the hottest show to attend for camera geeks aside from DVExpo
 
My version of Edius Broadcast is HERE!
That is great news.

What is even better news is that it works as expected.
It previews live, no frame drops.

It is very nice.
It can mix footage of different file sizes.
It can even output for the web.

The layout will take some getting use to, and I really would rather premiere be working, but hey, this works just like it was SD.

It seems as if the speed thing is based on processor speed, but it is working very fast, almost real time to render simple cuts and transitions. Actually, it took 4 seconds to do a basic transition, and any playback will be real time view if you have 128 meg video card or faster.

With the laptop having only 64meg video ram, it plays footage and cuts realtime with no frame drops.

This is currently on my laptop that is a P4 3.06gz processor with a gig of ram.
Nothing to brag about.

If i can figure out the interface, everything will be great from here.


I really can't stand trying to edit on a laptop, so now I can go ahead with the plans to build a desktop pc to view this in all it's glory.


Later..got some learning to do.
 
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