Canon's Upcoming RF cinema camera rumored specs

QuickHitRecord said:
Thinking out loud here. I'm considering a preorder. If I do, it will be the first time I've done it. The small form factor, DGO, NDs, Canon color, and 10-bit XF-AVC to SD cards would make my life a lot easier. Just being able to shoot clean ISO 3200 would be super helpful. Also, being able to monitor C-Log2 in-camera. Plus, I already own two BP-A60 batteries and a dual charger.

Selling my C200 and both C100s and replacing them with two of these is also something to think about.

Hesitations:

- The DPAF example in the lengthy CVP overview was not impressive at all. I need to see a better example.
- I have a decent selection of EF lenses and don't own any RF glass. The Canon focal reducer looks great but reducing the DPAF to 60% of the sensor is a no-go for me. I'd probably get the EF-RF adapter with the control ring. Does it also reduce CA and distortion? Maybe I need to factor in the cost of a Holy Trinity set of RF zooms. Not cheap.
- Mounting points. There aren't many. The Accsoon CineEye and a Sennheiser G3 receiver are almost permanently attached to my C200. Adding a cage kind of defeats the purpose of the smaller size.
- I'm heavily invested in Vinten fluid heads. I don't even know if they make one that will work with a 3.5-4lb camera.
- This all would require a major reshuffling of my gear. I just did that in 2019 with the C200, telling myself that I wouldn't do it again for at least 5 years.
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IF you are OK with the form factor I would pull the trigger. Personally, I am not a fan of the "fat" DSLR. I do a lot of handheld work and it looks like the c70 is going to be a bit of a PITA to shoot with held against your body as a point of contact. In the pics it looks as if the LCD doesn't clear the body when it swivels up (looking down on the screen). A cabled LCD that could be placed on the top handle would have been better. There's also the client perception problem with smaller dslr/cinema cameras. The C200/FS7/FX9 etc. have the "look" of a professional camera. Not an issue if you're using it as a B cam...
 
ahalpert said:
This was why I mentioned it:
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roxics said:
Yeah I thought maybe the new A series was just something like that, where the cameras could still use the old batteries. Oh well.

Overall, aside from that and the lack of an EVF, I'm liking what I'm seeing on this camera.
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A series isn't new...it's used in a couple of the other cinema cameras.

They are different batteries. It's like asking if the a7SII's FW50s will work in the a7SIII.

They split the battery models to make a little more money.

C300 Mark II people were annoyed about this.
 
scorsesefan said:
IF you are OK with the form factor I would pull the trigger. Personally, I am not a fan of the "fat" DSLR. I do a lot of handheld work and it looks like the c70 is going to be a bit of a PITA to shoot with held against your body as a point of contact. In the pics it looks as if the LCD doesn't clear the body when it swivels up (looking down on the screen). A cabled LCD that could be placed on the top handle would have been better. There's also the client perception problem with smaller dslr/cinema cameras. The C200/FS7/FX9 etc. have the "look" of a professional camera. Not an issue if you're using it as a B cam...
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Good points. Maybe a longer BP-A60 battery would be a little more conducive to stabilizing with your chest, and give some clearance for the LCD. I'm not sure.
 
ahalpert said:
How in heck does the C70 not outclass the c100 and, in many ways, the c200?
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I was going by sequential model name, not performance. But, admittedly, the “x” on the Xc10 sort of messes up the order alphabetically and muddies the logic a bit.
 
James0b57 said:
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I was going by sequential model name, not performance. But, admittedly, the “x” on the Xc10 sort of messes up the order alphabetically and muddies the logic a bit.
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Copy that. But when you said stop gap between mirrorless and c I thought that implied it was the worst c camera
 
James0b57 said:
A cross between an R5 and a Cine EOS C cam is a good camera, even if it is a first iteration that they might still be figuring out, it is a nice move in a good direction in theory at least.
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Haha yeah. But I'm with NorBro- I would have gotten a functional R6. I mean, I was happy with my S1 except for AF and no FF 4K60p

At any rate, my goal for my gimbal cam is to have "pristine autofocus," as NorBro would say. So that seals the deal for the A7SIII over the C70. Lower weight and cost are the cherry on top. The C70 would be better as an a cam than the a7siii
 
...which could make the FX6 a sleeper in this rat race and a must-have for a slightly lower price than the C70 (since Sony's cameras are usually cheaper than Canon's).
 
NorBro said:
If I had a vote, I'd crown Sony as the AF king right now.
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Do you have any notions about MC-11 performance in video AF? I thought it was useless but I watched a recent YT video where it was successfully continuously focusing a 70-200 on people walking through an airport about 2/3 of the time.
 
Maybe it has improved over time but if I'm buying a camera for its AF, I wouldn't use it.

If AF is not #1 but more like #5, I'd consider it if it worked well enough.

It's $50 off right now so I'd think you're going to buy it anyway to use some of your EF glass with the camera.
 
NorBro said:
Maybe it has improved over time but if I'm buying a camera for its AF, I wouldn't use it.

If AF is not #1 but more like #5, I'd consider it if it worked well enough.

It's $50 off right now so I'd think you're going to buy it anyway to use some of your EF glass with the camera.
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Yes I just bought it (used lol). My sigma 24-70 fe will be the gimbal workhorse. But if I could get even a 50% keeper rate with the 70-200 for repeatable b-roll, that could be worth something. Like I was shooting some walking/talking b-roll fown a hallway at 200mm f/2.8 on fs7 with speedbooster recently...hopeless. I had to punch in for focus the whole time and lock it off. Inconsistent AF could have given me a better result if it could nail 1 out of 3 takes and any way it would have been an easy low-speed shot for the computer
 
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ahalpert said:
Haha yeah. But I'm with NorBro- I would have gotten a functional R6. I mean, I was happy with my S1 except for AF and no FF 4K60p

At any rate, my goal for my gimbal cam is to have "pristine autofocus," as NorBro would say. So that seals the deal for the A7SIII over the C70. Lower weight and cost are the cherry on top. The C70 would be better as an a cam than the a7siii
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Nice!
 
ahalpert said:
Yes I just bought it (used lol). My sigma 24-70 fe will be the gimbal workhorse. But if I could get even a 50% keeper rate with the 70-200 for repeatable b-roll, that could be worth something. Like I was shooting some walking/talking b-roll fown a hallway at 200mm f/2.8 on fs7 with speedbooster recently...hopeless. I had to punch in for focus the whole time and lock it off. Inconsistent AF could have given me a better result if it could nail 1 out of 3 takes and any way it would have been an easy low-speed shot for the computer
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As long as the AF is not twitching, it could be good enough for many applications, especially if you have the luxury of working around your own work in post.

The scenario above is where AF shines and is needed. In situations where you cannot pull shallow manual focus on a still lens by yourself with your hand while also possibly adjusting the camera for framing with the other...at least not smoothly in limited opportunities, critical takes.

If you're at an all day event for 12-hours hired to "get whatever you can" as a C camera, it's less important (and the adapter would be fine).
 
Well, the AF would need to nail the entire take, especially since I was handing off the footage. But from what I saw in the video, it either missed completely or nailed it completely. And in that situation, I had them do 3 takes anyway for the sake of my manual focus fails

But when I'm on a gimbal and shooting unrepeatable stuff, I really need perfection. We'll see
 
I just love that we now have a C300m3 DGO-sensor with NDs and 4-channel audio in a smaller, cheaper body. I will miss being able to have a Canon-controlled LCD-screen a bit in front of you - seeing promo-filmmakers having that vulture-neck makes my sore 10-hour handheld C300m2+18-80-neck from today pain a bit more.... But, well you can't have it all. It will be an almost perfect A/B-cam. Now if only Sennheiser could make some AVX-receivers with mini-xlrs that can fit directly onto the C70-body...
 
I just ran a cost analysis, taking into consideration having batteries and media to get me through a 12-hour shoot. Guessing that I'd need 4 V90 256GB SD cards, an EF to RF adapter, another battery, and Vinten's lowest capacity fluid head, it's more like $7,300 to be up and shooting.
 
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