Canon's Pocket Cinema Camera ?

ntouched said:
Hey Optitek, that's exactly what's happening right now in China with Kinefinity! They are the NEW RED!!! They're finally starting to figure this thing out with the Terra 4K (with updated OS firmware) and the MAVO line of products. Best BANG for the buck right now if you're looking for a true cinematic modular camera system. PROAV in the UK now representing them as Authorized dealer and service center.
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Lets hope they have a budget to invest in service, repair, parts facilities in the US or cut a deal with existing ones here in the US. It wouldn't hurt either if they were offering loaner cameras to the established US DPs to try out and showcase their image potential. So far that's been the major setback to their US market penetration- seemingly nice gear on paper but nothing to show for states side... I would really like the US industry to dominate but it seems they settled now (RED VV $80K?!!) and need some prodding- again... And so the story goes, round and round....
 
deltoidjohn said:
I think if there's one thing this thread proves it's that you can't have a camera that keeps everyone happy.
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THIS

I see lots of people longing for a handycam form factor and I keep thinking it would require a much bigger gimbal than the pocket4k (for the same total volume and weight)
 
Samuel H said:
THIS

I see lots of people longing for a handycam form factor and I keep thinking it would require a much bigger gimbal than the pocket4k (for the same total volume and weight)
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Pocket 4k is an ergonomic disaster, forget it. We are talking here about truly operator friendly form factors...
 
Sorry but it has the shape that fits my needs. I understand that your needs are different, and it may be an ergonomic disaster for you, but keep in mind other people have different tastes/needs.

I've considered the FS5II but decided against it because the form factor is "wrong for me", as in, I'd have to get a much bigger gimbal (and nowadays at least 80% of my shots are on a gimbal; basically most of the stuff that I used to do on a crane, dolly, slider, and even tripod).
 
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Samuel

Have you accounted for all of the cabling sticking out of the 'Pocket' - it could end up 40mm wider than it already is.

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Mounting inside a windsreen of a car it is the perfect shape were short is king.
 
Samuel H said:
Sorry but it has the shape that fits my needs. I understand that your needs are different, and it may be an ergonomic disaster for you, but keep in mind other people have different tastes/needs.

I've considered the FS5II but decided against it because the form factor is "wrong for me", as in, I'd have to get a much bigger gimbal (and nowadays at least 80% of my shots are on a gimbal; basically most of the stuff that I used to do on a crane, dolly, slider, and even tripod).
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The BMPCC4K is not a gimbal camera: it is too wide, the screen is not visible most of the time, there is no way to focus lenses, autofocus is useless. If you add the power cable to it (short battery life)gets even wider. I'm not really sure what it is because it is not what BMP says it is. Oh I know- it is CHEAP- that is true from BMP....:thumbsup::grin:
They used the "bigger is better" marketing trick and it worked apparently...
 
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if you add articulated screen and a proper PHOTO camera qualities (pro use) to this camera, you would basically get a camera I am delegating for ever since GH2: a Mutant in which GOPRO (RAW) meets MDSLR (RUNGUN) meets SMARTPHONE (EASY TO USE) meets INDIE CINE / PHOTO PROS (BUDGET) users! That camera would have been a WINNER!!!

BM4KPocket certainly sounds exciting but it will fail short in a long run...it just showed up too late on a market...I know two guys who will shoot their docs on smartphones in next year ?!?!??!
And I know more people who will abandon video production biz before GH6 shows up and there will be no new faces to be excited about GH7 and their competitors (because by then young prospective professionals will realize how bankrupt video veteran pros are so potential buyers will dissolve into hobbyist who will be super happy with iPhone10 hence the manufacturers will simply not have potential user base to justify production of clone/mutant video/phto cameras like GH6NXSH).
 
I am assuming the first part of the comment below is about the BM pocket cinema camera, but on second reading perhaps it is not.

Maest said:
if you add articulated screen and a proper PHOTO camera qualities (pro use) to this camera, you would basically get a camera I am delegating for ever since GH2: a Mutant in which GOPRO (RAW) meets MDSLR (RUNGUN) meets SMARTPHONE (EASY TO USE) meets INDIE CINE / PHOTO PROS (BUDGET) users! That camera would have been a WINNER!!!

BM4KPocket certainly sounds exciting but it will fail short in a long run...it just showed up too late on a market...I know two guys who will shoot their docs on smartphones in next year ?!?!??!
And I know more people who will abandon video production biz before GH6 shows up and there will be no new faces to be excited about GH7 and their competitors (because by then young prospective professionals will realize how bankrupt video veteran pros are so potential buyers will dissolve into hobbyist who will be super happy with iPhone10 hence the manufacturers will simply not have potential user base to justify production of clone/mutant video/phto cameras like GH6NXSH).
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Totally disagree.

The nice for BM will be to have an inexpensive quality cinema only camera.

If they are going to make this into some hybrid photo/video camera with tons of bells and whistles they need to catch up 70 years of slr development, not going to happen!
 
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