Canon YJ18x9 reviewed

caseyhayward

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Ok,

This lens has been knocked around on these boards quite a bit (literally) but a lot of people have questions about it, as did I when I was buying my HPX 500 but could not get the powers that be to upgrade the lens.

So I finally did some basic tests and here are my results along with observations from the field.

Here are three separate shots from the YJ 18x at extreme tele, extreme wide and mid focal lengths:

162 mm
01_18X_162mm.jpg


9mm
02_18x_9mm.jpg


60mm
03_18x_60mm.jpg


These were to test for CA and as you can see, the long end of the lens has quite a bit of the dreaded blue fringe. But the mid and wide end don't seem to suffer the same problem. (note I did see more CA in the 60mm footage on my monitor when I was shooting. Perhaps the tiff compressed out some of the CA?)

I tend to shoot at the extremes of the lens for some reason so these results make me happy and sad.

As for the other problem people suggest this lens has, breathing, here is what I found. For those who don't know what breathing is (I didn't at one time) it is the changing of the frame size when you focus the lens. Good lenses don't breath much, bad ones do. It's almost like you are changing the focal length of the lens (zooming) while you are focusing. With the YJ in an unscientific test I found the breathing to be the equivalent of turning a couple millimeters on the zoom ring. In other words it is quite noticeable. This is a subjective area of lens use though. I am not a huge fan of the overused rack focus and tend to do my focus adjustments outside of what the editor will put on screen. If some of the focusing does make it in it tends to be ok because I work on reality based projects and audiences have come to expect the aesthetics of production in these situations.

If, however you are shooting fiction work that you want to be clean and sharp, this probably isn't the lens for you.

So I would conclude that the YJ 18x9B4 KRS is okay for an SD lens. When it enters the world of HD shooting it is definitely less desirable for most folks. The CA is my biggest problem with the lens. But I will continue to use it because it is better than no lens at all. In fact, I tested it side by side with an older J15x9.5 (broadcast series lens) and the YJ performed better than the broadcast lens in the area of CA.

I hope this helps. I realize that most people considering using this lens are in my shoes, not in a place to afford a better lens. So to them I say this is a decent lens and it will work well if you adjust for it's shortcomings. If you do have the money for an HD lens or a newer high-end SD lens but were toying with the YJ to cut costs I would say don't.

I hope this helps. Feel free to ask questions.
 
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Your pictures aren't working - i see that you posted them in tiff format which will not automatically downlaod for most people's browsers. I had to click on properties and go to the link to download them. you might consider a high qulaity jpeg...
 
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Ok,

So I would conclude that the YJ 18x9B4 KRS is okay for an SD lens. When it enters the world of HD shooting it is definitely less desirable for most folks. The CA is my biggest problem with the lens. But I will continue to use it because it is better than no lens at all. In fact, I tested it side by side with an older J15x9.5 (broadcast series lens) and the YJ performed better than the broadcast lens in the area of CA.

Well, I use the J15x9.5's on our HPX-500s everyday and my lenses don't exhibit the amount of CA that your YJ is seeing.

A couple things with your test:

Can you post the settings in which you were using? ie. Frame size (720,1080)

I don't think anybody here has ever touted using YJ stuff. We have always said Canon "J" or Fujinon "A" Seeries lenses.

Your 60mm shot seems to be very out of focus and your 9mm shots is a bit soft. The 162mm looked okay. Make sure your back focus is on tack..

I would be interested in seeing test shots from directly in front of your test sheet rather than at an angle. It may show more or less CA.

Some real world shots would be nice too. People can shoot test sheets all day long, but I don't believe they give you real world conclusions. Some different inside & outside shots would be good at least for comparison. Just make sure everything is in Focus.

Keep up the good work.

Kit
 
i have this lens too but i don't get nearly the amount of CA that i see in your pics. maybe you have a problem with the lens. i got mine used but it had been babied so it was mint. yes it breathes but i also have a j13x9 and it's similar. i find that between my yj18x9 and my j13x9 that the breathing and CA are about the same but the yj is actually sharper. my j3x9 is an older external focus lens. maybe that's why?
 
Thanks all for your feedback. I in no way intended this to be the comprehensive end-all be-all report on this lens. I did the test shot rather quickly just to reproduce what I found in the field. I was not shooting the chart for focus purposes so I fudged a little and may have been too close to the chart for minimum distance.

As for the settings, I was shooting 1080 24PA. All the chroma etc. is at factory default.

Again, I am not suggesting people use this lens instead of a J series but know that people will sometimes be unable to get better glass so I am trying to give an idea what it will look like. In my personal experience I have had better luck with this particular YJ than a J15x9.5 that I also have access to.
 
Thanks all for your feedback. I in no way intended this to be the comprehensive end-all be-all report on this lens. I did the test shot rather quickly just to reproduce what I found in the field.

What you are going to find Casey is that it's not really worth doing a lens test on any lens if you're not going to take some basic necessary steps to get good, clean, accurate results. One in focus picture and 2 out of focus pictures of a test chart shot from the side tells us almost nothing, and to say that it is exhibiting CA moreso than your Canon J series is not justified. Sure, i see a little bit of horizontal purple glow on the 1st "in focus" picture, but you need to tell us what kind of conditions there were, how you were lighing, does it go away when you stop down the lens, etc. That's why I always suggest people do real world trials. If even a small fraction of a percent of my footage was spent shooting test charts, maybe I would be a bit more interested, but I don't shoot charts. I shoot real world stuff as do most people.

I'm not trying to be rude at all buddy. I appreciate you making an effort as most people don't even do that. But coming up with conclusions on how good or bad the lens is based on your tests I don't think you have an argument for. Now if you showed me 3 real world photos, maybe some dfferent shots, and they were all exhibiting the same symptoms, then we're talking.

Just my opinion and people should take it at that.
 
I'll tell you what would be even better.....

If you have a Vimeo account, post up some 10-20 second clips. If you don't have one, you can create one. It's free. http://www.vimeo.com. It would be nice to see some test footage with that lens.
 
What f stop was used for the test. It makes a BIG difference. F11 and F16 will be softer than f4 to 8.

JohhnyD
 
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