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subtleinspiration said:
I think no one is arguing that the 5D cannot be used in that manner, only not on that consistent basis or as the A-camera on certain productions.

Case in point: action film shot on the 7D had to use HVX for action scenes because of the CMOS wobble. In fact, I think more people forgive the moire/aliasing than the jello.
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So true. We are in this boat at the moment. We use our HVX for really fast action as well because it can handle fast movement.

Although I will say that the Rainbow Moire is not acceptable to me ever. At least the Nikon and Panasonic don't have to deal with that!
 
subtleinspiration said:
I think no one is arguing that the 5D cannot be used in that manner, only not on that consistent basis or as the A-camera on certain productions.

Case in point: action film shot on the 7D had to use HVX for action scenes because of the CMOS wobble. In fact, I think more people forgive the moire/aliasing than the jello.
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I'm confused about what you are trying to argue. We know the issues with the 5D and every camera has its trade-offs including the HVX.
 
Barry_Green said:
Tattersall made it pretty clear that he did think the image quality was up to snuff. The primary reasons to choose the 5D were logistical, but he wouldn't have made the choice to go with the 5D if the end product wouldn't have held up. But he said that his primary reasons for going with it were the tiny size (where a full-sized rig would have been highly impractical on that set) and the hyper-shallow DOF that he just couldn't get on film. Combine that with the image quality being "good enough" and it made it the right choice for that job.
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Yes.. but you cannot simply discount image quality as an ancillary benefit... Its starts and ends with image quality... the rest is just gravy.
 
Yes.. but you cannot simply discount image quality as an ancillary benefit... Its starts and ends with image quality... the rest is just gravy.
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Well, no, that's completely backwards of looking at it. Without those ancillary benefits, he never would have even thought of using the 5D. Every episode of that show that's ever been shot, and every future episode that will be shot, will be on 35mm film. (or the Alexa or whatever).

The 5D was chosen for that one episode, for those two specific ancillary benefits. Overall image quality was an important factor in making it a viable choice, but without the ancillary benefits it never would have been chosen. If the image quality wasn't up to snuff it wouldn't have been chosen either, of course.

But it's not a case of them saying "hey, the 5D's just as good as film, let's use it instead." Think about it: they could have shot on the 5D at any time. They don't. They chose it for this specific episode for two specific reasons: size, and hyper-shallow DOF.
 
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Barry_Green said:
But it's not a case of them saying "hey, the 5D's just as good as film, let's use it instead." Think about it: they could have shot on the 5D at any time. They don't. They chose it for this specific episode for two specific reasons: size, and hyper-shallow DOF.
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Actually, it was exactly like that.... "hey, the image quality on the 5D looks great and we can get super shallow depth of field and have a small imprint."

Could they have shot with it sooner.. probably not since people hadn't used the 5D's to shoot a major network show. It took some risk and it worked out.

This technology is somewhat new and your starting to see more and more major productions using it. Hopefully, the next incarnation of these cameras will deal with some of the issues.
 
Actually, it was exactly like that....
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No, it was exactly not like that. You're making it sound like they weighed the choices and said "you know, we should shoot this on the 5D instead of on film because it'll look just as good." That is not in any way what Tattersall himself said about it.

Listen to the interview, he'll tell you why he chose it.
 
I really wish Canon was as open about their future goals/products/discussion as Panasonic. I have to say, we really have no clue what Canon holds in the future at this point or their roadmap.
 
"I think these cameras are as game-changing as anything we've seen in this business in at least the past 30 years." Gale Tattersall
 
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