Canon t5i

Samuel H said:
But by that measure, the NEX-5N and the D5200 are HUGE improvements on any current APS-C Canon DSLR.
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I always wonder about comments like that. Because I bought the Canon 7d when it first appeared years ago and it's still better (in stills and in video) than the nex-5n which I also own. I would rather use it to shoot a film than the NEX-5n. Still people are glamoring how a huge improvement the 5n is supposed to be. It isn't. Stills quality is pretty much the same, except harder to use and in film mode the 5n has a couple of huge drawbacks. Rolling shutter in 1080p25 (slightly worse than the 7d), codec that breaks more easily and worse low light. (harder to clean with neatvideo as the shadow noise is very blobby). Only thing better on the 5n is a bit less moire in 25p mode.

So what is this HUGE improvement? Seriously? The 7d has a sensor that is almost 4 years old and I'd still rather shoot with it than the 5n.

Now I also have the 5dmarkIII and that is actually a HUGE improvement compared to the 7d, not the 5n.
 
I don't spose you've noticed how much more resolution the D5200 and Nex-5n have over the 5D and 7D.
 
Canon went from moving the bar to new heights, to underwhelming with every new model. They need a few features to recapture the market. Clean HDMI with Raw 12 bit out, a headphone jack, better moire filtration, and better than 60mb/s codec. DNXHD 8/10-bit would be a good place to start.
 
visugeek , I cannot see Canon changing very soon, they have become a sausage machine, making cheap DSLR 's for the mass market, putting tons of features into out dated cameras cheap camera's , it is all smoke and mirriors from canon's side. the stuff you and I want are made and tested as proto types , but are put away for the day they feel they are loosing ground in th emarket place, then suddendly there is this "game changing amizing camera" . Then they sit back and repeat the cycle to maximize profit by flooding the market. Many companies follow this model.
 
visugeek said:
Canon went from moving the bar to new heights, to underwhelming with every new model. They need a few features to recapture the market. Clean HDMI with Raw 12 bit out, a headphone jack, better moire filtration, and better than 60mb/s codec. DNXHD 8/10-bit would be a good place to start.
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And to add to your list 1080 50p/60p
 
maarek said:
I always wonder about comments like that. Because I bought the Canon 7d when it first appeared years ago and it's still better (in stills and in video) than the nex-5n which I also own. I would rather use it to shoot a film than the NEX-5n. Still people are glamoring how a huge improvement the 5n is supposed to be. It isn't. Stills quality is pretty much the same, except harder to use and in film mode the 5n has a couple of huge drawbacks. Rolling shutter in 1080p25 (slightly worse than the 7d), codec that breaks more easily and worse low light. (harder to clean with neatvideo as the shadow noise is very blobby). Only thing better on the 5n is a bit less moire in 25p mode.

So what is this HUGE improvement? Seriously? The 7d has a sensor that is almost 4 years old and I'd still rather shoot with it than the 5n.

Now I also have the 5dmarkIII and that is actually a HUGE improvement compared to the 7d, not the 5n.
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I had a T2i for a couple of years. Then I got a 5N, initially only for some 1080p60 stuff. I made a pretty detailed comparison (http://www.vimeo.com/similaar/shootout2012), and sold the T2i: there was no point keeping it. Using my very specific settings for the 5N (http://www.similaar.com/foto/flaat-5n/index.html), it is giving me:
* similar DR
* similarly nice colors
* more detail (not as much as the GH2, but visibly more than the Canon)
* A LOT less moire. Like, it's not even in the same ballpark. I tested this very thoroughly (it's in the shootout above), and yes, the 5N will also show moire from time to time, but not nearly as often as the Canons. Whole different world. I've basically stopped worrying about this since I sold the T2i.

In general, the image is just as pleasing, but sharper and with less issues. (in fact, it's just about as sharp as I want it: it is sharp, but not unnaturally sharp like the GH2).

It does have worse rolling shutter (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?303559-Measuring-rolling-shutter-put-a-number-on-this-issue!), but weirdly enough I hadn't even noticed (my guess is that years of shooting with these cameras have molded me into unconsciously avoiding fast camera movement).

And regarding low light: ISO 3200 on the 5N is absolutely not usable. But ISO 1600 is cleaner than on the T2i, I think. Not completely sure, since I didn't run any side-by-side tests, though. But on the T2i I always tried to use 800 or lower, and on the 5N I happily go for 1600; it's either better, or I've got used to fighting with some noise.

In every case, YMMV: different people, different needs, different tools.
 
I think it isn't that the Canon Rebels are bad, as I still do like the results I can get with my T2i. The thing is now that we have the Pany GH2 or Nikon D5200 for approx. the same price or less than a Canon T4i/T5i. For only a little more you get the weather sealing and other advantages of the GH3 or D7100. I just don't want to be locked into Canon if they aren't going to innovate on the video side as much as Nikon or Panasonic are doing.
 
I did forget to include 1080 50/60 on my wish list GavinAbe, thanks for catching that. That is a huge deal!

Until Canon makes some serious moves, I'll be waiting for my BMCC to arrive and making the most of my existing kit.

I've got my 7D and a GH2 that I've hacked and some great old and modern glass for both of them.
 
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