canon r8

There is no IBIS on the R8, so depending on how you plan to use the camera, this could be a big deal or not.
 
that is a head scratcher to me.

Im a 'hard' man and find that even IS in lenses makes me feel sick and the camera not respond properly to my moves

Digital trickery might add more oddness and lack of a sensor that can bounce may be an excellent thing (or not)

this is one of the vids I shot that makes me dislike the r6

Now im not sure my notes are correct about which set of stab is on or off.. but the images lurch in a most unlesant manner


Ive also found you can (I think) reduce the rolling shutter on the r6 by using crop mode

https://vimeo.com/714814833


Currently im thinking the r8 does not have enough buttons (see my blog)
 
what is that supposed to mean?

To me all mirrorless cameras are in one sector.. crappy toys to take to the park

and therefore Id prefer to spend $1200 than $6000 on one

It seems that features land or not on the cameras like dice throws

So one day your $5000 camera is best, the next your $1000 camera is best

Rember something like this is gens ahead of the c500 for AF - and that might just make it better full stop.

I dont see segmentation I see a cr+ap shoot.
 
Camera manufactures goal is to segment their product line into as many price points as possible. What features are assigned to each model is marketing and sales decision. The R8 is an example this. The type of users at this lower price point, content creators and vloggers would benefit most by image stabilization, so this camera doesn't make sense. But from a marketing perspective it makes perfect sense. Whether you think this is a good camera depends the features you need and/or will to pay for.

The R8 is the R6 for $1,000 less with these features removed:
- Smaller body
- Smaller battery
- Lower resolution LCD
- No IBS
- Recording limits
 
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That may be the idea but it doesnt seem so simpl..

r6 - no af mf button
r8 - no af mf button
r7 af mf button
r6 30 ms rolling shutter (terrilble)
r8 15 ms rolling shutter (great)
r6 no cam/vid switch
r8, r7 cam/vid switch

r6 120 fps
r8 180 fps

of course this is r6, r6ii isnt qute the same

and of course
r5c - unusable hdmi
r8 unusable hdmi

r5c last gen focus - dull old humans
r8 this gen focus -even beavers and mice

r5c - lacks ND
r8,7,6 lacks nd

everything 10 bit internal

r8 super easy on the back to carry
r8 fits in cycle panier more easy

expensive cams.. raw out of a terrible connector.. no one would use this professionally.. so it is useless/doesnt exist

we are not seeing more money get much more or any harsh logic. Or much logic that applies to my mind anyway.

my question is to some extent if I can do a swap from r6 to r8 at no cost should I?
 
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Using a camera I want to control everything and fast.

If af goes wonk, switch it off - right now

if there is a chance to knock off a still - you have a second to do it

of course iso and iris must be on your fingers

HFR needs to engage fast and disengage without forgetting where you were

focus are need to adjust with your eye in the finder

These things are critical, to a camera that will not lose you shots.
The r6 misses a focus switch, a stills vid switch and mf switch
the r8 misses a joystick and mf switch
the r7 has it all and even a normal battery and a speedbooster option.. but fails maybe on rolling shutter - which is a bafflement as a small sensor should not take so long to read

evf size is.. well I have forgotten but you do need to see and the r8 is poor there
 
Peter C. said:
Camera manufactures goal is to segment their product line into as many price points as possible. What features are assigned to each model is marketing and sales decision. The R8 is an example this. The type of users at this lower price point, content creators and vloggers would benefit most by image stabilization, so this camera doesn't make sense. But from a marketing perspective it makes perfect sense. Whether you think this is a good camera depends the features you need and/or will to pay for.

The R8 is the R6 for $1,000 less with these features removed:
- Smaller body
- Smaller battery
- Lower resolution LCD
- No IBS
- Recording limits
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I disagree with this entirely. There are plenty of users for a camera this good at this price point. IBIS is not the end all solution people think it is. It's a nice to have. I don't think it's just content creators or vloggers that would be interested in the camera. Tripods are still a reality for a lot of content creation. Cinema cameras don't have IBIS either and yet the Pockets are very popular with YouTubers. While one small use of vlogging may be more difficult that doesn't mean the other 95% of content creation is impacted by this.

The R8 is essentially the exact same quality and video features of the R6 mk2 for $1,000 less. Thats really impressive. If Canon had to remove something to bring the cost down I'm really glad they picked IBIS and not much else. Its the kind of thing where the camera can still be a very effective tool for many creators.
 
Thomas Smet said:
I disagree with this entirely. There are plenty of users for a camera this good at this price point. IBIS is not the end all solution people think it is. It's a nice to have. I don't think it's just content creators or vloggers that would be interested in the camera. Tripods are still a reality for a lot of content creation. Cinema cameras don't have IBIS either and yet the Pockets are very popular with YouTubers. While one small use of vlogging may be more difficult that doesn't mean the other 95% of content creation is impacted by this.

The R8 is essentially the exact same quality and video features of the R6 mk2 for $1,000 less. Thats really impressive. If Canon had to remove something to bring the cost down I'm really glad they picked IBIS and not much else. Its the kind of thing where the camera can still be a very effective tool for many creators.
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So are you going to buy the R8?

I'm frankly getting fatigued by all the variations they keep putting out and keeping track of the feature matrix. Model 1 has a, c, w, g, and limited r when filming in w, Model 2 has a, but no c, g and x, etc

In the last few years they have released R, R3, R5, R5c, R6m2, R6, R7, R8, R10... That's just Canon
 
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Don't the R5, R6s, and R7 force you to use their warpy IBIS whenever you switch on lens stabilization? Or has this been changed in firmware? This was a big reason I never really gave those cameras a serious look and stuck with my original R. But since the R8 has no IBIS, this is actually a perk for me.
 
I don't remember the R5 forcing you to use its IBIS if you had the lens' IS on. You could use the lens stabilization or just the IBIS or both for optimal performance (if the lens IS communicated with the body).

There was a FW update that worked on the wobbliness/warpiness for I think one or two of the wider Canon lenses, but for the most part the IBIS is more than usable (but just not as good as other companies).

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As far as the camera, we've come a long way.

In 2016, I was getting ready to spend almost $4K for a 1.8x cropped 5D Mark IV with 4K/30p and not even any zebras, and could only dream of a camera like this for this price back then. [Obviously there are more dramatic examples of differences before that, but Canon has come a long, long way.]
 
there seem to be two schools.

1) it is cheap so it must be bad (for amateurs/beginners/poor people)

2) it is new so while cheap it mght be better due to tech advances of spec/cost

Personally I think image/focus speed it is certainly good or better, but a clashing mic and missing DOF button, small evf, make it wrong for me.. (or not?) .. it is just too shrunk to fit everything (that i need/want) in.
 
99% of people wouldn't notice the difference between this camera and many others on YouTube.

It's only the 1% of us who may want to pay more for a better computer with better DR, color, softer skintones, acquisition formats, 4K/120p, RAW, etc. (plus all the physical stuff).
 
If you need a B/C cam for the gimbal or tripod it's probably a big catch. It can stay on the gimbal/tripod and save you a lot of time.
 
NorBro said:
I don't remember the R5 forcing you to use its IBIS if you had the lens' IS on. You could use the lens stabilization or just the IBIS or both for optimal performance (if the lens IS communicated with the body).

There was a FW update that worked on the wobbliness/warpiness for I think one or two of the wider Canon lenses, but for the most part the IBIS is more than usable (but just not as good as other companies.]
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The problem with Canon is you can't turn IBIS off and just use the lens IS. The IBIS does cause wobbles on the wider lenses you can still see it on a 24mm.
 
Peter C. said:
So are you going to buy the R8?

I'm frankly getting fatigued by all the variations they keep putting out and keeping track of the feature matrix. Model 1 has a, c, w, g, and limited r when filming in w, Model 2 has a, but no c, g and x, etc

In the last few years they have released R, R3, R5, R5c, R6m2, R6, R7, R8, R10... That's just Canon
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I don't think it's hard at all to know the difference between each model. How many different models does Sony have? Between their FF and APSC line? A lot and their names are just as obscure.

People complain when there is just one camera option and now apparently complain when there are multiple options. The easy thing about Canon is generally the smaller the number of the model the higher end the camera is. R5 is higher end than the R6 and the R3 is higher than the R5. At least there is some logical order to the names vs Sony. The R5c is a cinema version of the R5 hence the very easy "c" added to the name. R6 mk2 is the second version of the R6 which replaces it. Much like the Sony A7S having three versions. Just forget about the R. I'm surprised they have not phased it out yet but it is popular with photographers for the 32MP FF sensor who have little to no interest in video.

I'm not sure what you are finding difficult to keep track of. Canon isn't really removing or adding features randomly here. They are being pretty consistent these days which is shocking. The R8 for example has almost every video feature of the R6 mk2 minus IBIS and external raw.

I'm not sure if I'm getting a R8 or not. I really want to upgrade from my R6 to the R6 mk2. If I already had a R6 mk2 and needed a second camera I would totally consider the R8. I don't see the R8 for me personally as my only or main camera. I see it as a great backup camera. I know someday the 30 minute record limit and over heating on the R6 are going to byte me in the butt. I can get around that with my Ninja V but it's also nice to just not have to worry about it. I personally really need to upgrade my R6 first. Then if I sell the R6 I could get the R8 to have two perfectly matched cameras.

At one point I was even considering the R10 as a backup camera. Only $1,000 and it also gave me the APSC extra reach option. Also has no IBIS but a second camera for me would be locked down on a tripod or someone else could use it on my gimbal. For $500 more now I can get clog3, exact same image quality as the R6 mk2, 4k 60 with no crop, and pretty much every video feature I use in camera. Thats a lot extra over the R10 and the only thing I lose is that extra APSC reach.

But then the R6 mk2 camera out and I now would rather upgrade my R6 to solve many of its faults and then have the R6 as my backup or later on replace it with a R10 or R8. Likely now the R8.
 
morgan_moore said:
there seem to be two schools.

1) it is cheap so it must be bad (for amateurs/beginners/poor people)

2) it is new so while cheap it mght be better due to tech advances of spec/cost

Personally I think image/focus speed it is certainly good or better, but a clashing mic and missing DOF button, small evf, make it wrong for me.. (or not?) .. it is just too shrunk to fit everything (that i need/want) in.
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Why would you even think of considering a R8? If the R6 and R5 already don't do some of the things you need why would a budget R8 suddenly change that? Any of us would know in five seconds this is not the camera for you.

If you want the R6 mk2 but want to spend less for the same quality with a few compromises then the R8 would be a great option. If that extra $1,000 is not a big deal for you then 100% you should get the R6 mk2 instead.

The R8 sacrificed what it could to bring the cost down to $1,500 without losing the heart and soul of what makes the R6 mk2 really good for photos and video. Yes it will not serve everyone equally but that is not the point of the R8. The point was provide as much as possible with sacrifices that will not impact every user.

Some would argue the EVF and LCD size/resolution don't matter a ton. All DSLR type camera EVFs and LCD screens are seriously limited for professional work. They are all typically no better than a 720p display and way too small to judge focus. An extra inch and 100 more pixels of vertical resolution are not going to suddenly change that. Yes it's nice getting bigger and more to make those screens suck a little less but I wouldn't exactly call them a huge deal breaker. They all suck. Even 5" is a bit small for 4k. At the end of the day thanks to the great DPAF most users will use the LCD for framing, composition, exposure and making sure the color isn't completely off. Both the R8 and R6 mk2 screens are perfectly fine for that.

You are the first person I have ever heard mention a DOF button. I didn't even know what the heck you were talking about. I still don't 100% grasp its beneficial use case but if you find value in such a feature then you need to get the R6 mk2 instead.

It is unfortunate if the mic port does block the LCD rotating. Again thats likely a very small price to pay for many shooters. As a B cam it may never plug a mic into that port. I always use a loupe on my R6 LCD so it's never swinging out anyway. Again clearly the R6 mk2 is a better option for you if you don't want those compromises. I'm still not sure why you would even consider a R8 unless you really care about saving $1,000.
 
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