Canon R6 mk2

DLD said:
So, you must not have recognized any prima facie patterns in the Japanese cartel product strategy?
Click to expand...

No. Why would I care? I didn't even know there was a cartel. Like OPEC? What is the name of it, OCEC? The companies offer the products they want to make at the prices they want to ask for them. Isn't that the case with every industry except commodities? Deal with it. You should pick up a camera and go shoot something today, you will feel better.
 
Last edited:
Doug Jensen said:
Sorry if I misunderstood. You seem like such a cheerleader for the GH6 that I assumed you have at least one, if not more. :)
Click to expand...

Nope. My last m43 camera was actually a GH4. Well and I still have a P4k which is a great raw camera. I could not upgrade to the GH5 at the time and by the time I considered it the camera was getting a bit old. I got tired of waiting for a GH6 so I moved to a Canon M6 mk2 as an experiment. My last Canon camera was a Canon XL1 which I loved but skipped the initial DSLR era due to what I considered poor artifacts for a HD image. I still preferred what a video camera could do. I really wanted to try out the color and DPAF people raved about so much. The M6 mk2 had its issues but I was blown away with the color out of the box and how good the AF was. I decided within a few months to just go all in and get a Canon R6 and despite its own set of flaws I love it. I shoot a good balance of photos and video so a hybrid is important to me right now.

I used to be a huge m43 fan. I still think it's a great system that punches much higher than it should considering how small the sensor is compared to FF. I like the GH6 but it's too late for me. It's also not a great photo camera so that ruled it out for me. If it would have come out a year earlier I would have been all over it. I have since sold all my m43 lenses, GH4 and only kept my EF f2.8 zooms to use with a Speedbooster on the P4k. If the raw on the new R6 mk2 is good I will likely sell the P4k as well and make my turn to the dark side complete.
 
Doug Jensen said:
No. Why would I care? I didn't even know there was a cartel. Like OPEC? What is the name of it, OCEC? The companies offer the products they want to make at the prices they want to ask for them. Isn't that the case with every industry except commodities? Deal with it. You should pick up a camera and go shoot something today, you will feel better.
Click to expand...

Ya, like OPEC/OPEC+.

And, by the way, oil may be a commodity but its costs of production vary across the globe. The electronic industry has roughly the same cost of production across all Japanese labels, lower in China, higher in Germany.

(scroll down)

https://knoema.com/infographics/vyronoe/cost-of-oil-production-by-country
 
DLD said:
Ya, like OPEC/OPEC+.

And, by the way, oil may be a commodity but its costs of production vary across the globe. The electronic industry has roughly the same cost of production across all Japanese labels, lower in China, higher in Germany.

(scroll down)

https://knoema.com/infographics/vyro...ion-by-country
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, you must have missed the point of my post if you think I have any interest whatsover in the cost of oil production. Or cameras, for that matter.
 
Last edited:
NorBro said:
Just in time... (sort of)

https://www.newsshooter.com/2022/12/...fps-in-prores/

Considering the somewhat unprecedented framerates, its price tag is reasonable if one is used to purchasing REDs, etc.
Click to expand...

Very interesting. I'd love to test drive one. The price is certainly reasonable. The only thing that gives me pause is the native ISO300 sensitivity and no LOG. Those might be deal breakers on paper, but 'd really have to test one before knowing for sure.
 
We had a brief exchange about the WAVE the other month and I was so close to purchasing the camera during 2020 Covid because I had this burning desire to do food stuff indoors, but I couldn't get over the harsh highlights. Blobs of white depending on the lighting. The resolution was more than there (in the 4K mode they had) but the dynamic range was a deal breaker.

Although if it was like $3K-$4K, I would have probably got it. Just not a lot of money to try/own something like that for a couple of months and then flip it if you need to.
 
Doug Jensen said:
I'm sorry, you must have missed the point of my post if you think I have any interest whatsover in the cost of oil production. Or cameras, for that matter.
Click to expand...

You must have missed my point about discussing the industry in the industry thread on the industry forum.

How industrious of you.
 
Where's that ridiculous link you posted the other month where it had Nikon as the most used cameras, lol

I rented Canon from lr about 20x this year and 1 Sony (a7IV), but I am surprised Sony didn't have more than Canon overall.

I would like to think people still prefer the Canon color much more, but it's likely that it takes a long time for people to collectively change. And although Sony is hot on YouTube, a lot of old timers might be going to Canon by default/it's all they know after using the company's cameras for so long (especially for stills).
 
Rentals is not an indicator of what is actually getting used out in the field. More people may choose to actually buy a certain brand than just waste money on renting something over and over again. The busier someone is, the more it makes sense to own.

Also, when it coms to lenses, Canon EF is more universal and can be adapted for practically any modern camera, thus the numbers would be expected to be bigger than something like e-mount that is only going to work on e-mount cameras.
 
NorBro said:
Where's that ridiculous link you posted the other month where it had Nikon as the most used cameras, lol

.
Click to expand...

I think it's in the RV thread.

BTW, as I was watching the World Cup - the sideline photogs sat there with a ton on of L-telephotos, some with Nikon. It didn't look to be too many G-Masters.

Also, looked like a lot of DSLR's with the battery grips rather than mirrorless. The last hurrah and so on.
 
Perhaps it's because everyone and their brother has been buying Sony cameras and now wondering if they would prefer Canon. Since a lot moved away from Canon they may suddenly be finding themselves in situations where they suddenly need a Canon camera to match other Canon cameras. They may not rush out to buy a whole new camera or want to give up on their Sony gear now so rentals make sense right now.

If I just moved away from Canon and started investing in Sony the past 3 years or so and suddenly needed a Canon camera I would rent as well.

Canon has some interesting choices right now as well. The only FF 8k option which is likely driving up a good part of that figure. Anyone that needs FF 60p as well the only option is Canon. Canon has some features that stand out right now. Yeah they have some frustrations but they get a lot right as well. On the Sony side anyone serious about log and wants 10bit pretty much has two options. A7S which is getting a bit old now and has no oversampling or the A7IV which is just ok as a 4k video camera. Really not much special or exciting there.

I think the potential overheating of the R6 and R5 helped drive those rentals as well. As a R6 shooter myself I often rent another R6 as a safety just in case my main R6 overheats. One reason why I'm getting a R6 mk2 in a few months once I get my work bonus. Didn't really want too own two R6 bodies but the R6 mk2 has enough extra to justify owning both.

Since the RF mount is fairly new I think a lot that have upgraded can to also be a bit selective in how much they upgraded all at once. Some invested in one body and maybe a few lenses but have not been able to complete the transition to RF mount. So they rent backup bodies and lenses much like I have been doing. Sony E mount has been around long enough now and with their 3rd party more affordable lens support it may be not as many are renting vs buying. They have had more time to build up their Sony kits.
 
Thomas Smet said:
Anyone that needs FF 60p as well the only option is Canon. Canon has some features that stand out right now. Yeah they have some frustrations but they get a lot right as well. On the Sony side anyone serious about log and wants 10bit pretty much has two options. A7S which is getting a bit old now and has no oversampling or the A7IV which is just ok as a 4k video camera. Really not much special or exciting there.
Click to expand...

Uh, have you never heard of the Sony a1? I will put my a1 up against anything from Canon any day of the week.
 
NorBro said:
Where's that ridiculous link you posted the other month where it had Nikon as the most used cameras, lol

I rented Canon from lr about 20x this year and 1 Sony (a7IV), but I am surprised Sony didn't have more than Canon overall.

I would like to think people still prefer the Canon color much more, but it's likely that it takes a long time for people to collectively change. And although Sony is hot on YouTube, a lot of old timers might be going to Canon by default/it's all they know after using the company's cameras for so long (especially for stills).
Click to expand...

In my opinion Sony is getting a bit dull now. Not much to really get excited about. The A7S is getting a bit old and can only shoot 4k with no over sampling. The whole shooting by only moonlight craze is finally starting to come back down to reality that the sensor is not as sensitive as we thought in practical terms. The R6 easily holds its own in the realistic usable ISO range and has over sampling. The A7IV is just an average me to 4k camera to be honest. Nothing really stand out. Still the lame FF 4k 60p crop only limitations. Sony took forever to add 10bit as well. For years Sony fans said 10bit wasn't a big deal and a gimmick. Now suddenly its important. I always found it unacceptable that such a wide DR log format was being used on a 8bit video format.

Canon despite their flaws has some exciting features right now. The only FF 4k 60p over sampled option out there on the R6 and R6 mk2. The only FF 8k option out there and for years the only 8k DSLR out there. The R5C is the only 8k 60p option out there which is crazy. It took Canon awhile to get here but they are finally doing not only respectable 4k video but some standout 4k and higher video capabilities as well. On the external raw side the R6 mk2 provides the highest resolution at 60p besides the R5C and cinema cameras. On the APSC side the Canon R7 is a really hot camera right now. Even for photos it routinely beats out the older Canon FF RF mount cameras like the R and RP. It's a very impressive photo and video camera for a APSC option. Canon typically really hobbles its APSC option but this time they made the R7 really standout in a competitive market. The beauty off the R7 is it can use the same EF and Rf lenses as the R6 and R5 making it a great compliment to the system. Fuji is king when it comes to APSC but they have no FF options so one is stuck at APSC forever. Sony has good APSC and FF options but again rather stagnant in the industry the last couple of years. I really think Sony is starting to run out of gas. They only reason they achieved some of the marketshare that they did on the video side was because of Canon being slow to go mirrorless and having a few hiccups along the way. Like the Canon M mount and the laughable 4k video support on the R and RP. Now that Canon is in the same weight class as Sony I don't think Sony will be seen in the same innovative way as it was the past four-five years. I think this is why Sony really wanted to add 3rd party lens support. They really need it because besides that wide lens support right now there isn't a whole lot excitement going on. Seriously the most excitement I have seen on the Sony side has been Tamron lenses. I can't recall the last decent lens Sony themselves have made.

Sony needs to do a heck of a lot more than the A7IV to wow people now. I think many have moved on beyond the A7S series as well and will desire more than just 1:1 4k in the future. Not that there is anything wrong with it but the R6 at 20MP already struggled in the industry in terms of perception of being lower quality because of the lower MP. 12MP is going to really struggle to be taken seriously going forward. I just don't think there are enough video only people who insist on shooting. with absolutely no lights to justify keeping the model around forever. Plus the whole 1:1 sensitivity theory is not as sound as it once was. Many are now finding its actually better to capture more pixels and scale it down which hides a lot of noise. Plus despite how clean ISO 12,800 or 25,600 may look on a camera it's still a destructive impact on the image quality and should only be used in certain situations. Just because it's there doesn't mean it should be the norm. I rarely shoot over ISO 3,200 even on the R6 even though it's really clean. Just too much other damage taking place.

Fuji is really the only camera company wowing people right now. Canon in second place. Sony is just as boring as m43 right now is terms of a "holy crap I have to have that"
 
Doug Jensen said:
Uh, have you never heard of the Sony a1? I will put my a1 up against anything from Canon any day of the week.
Click to expand...

Thats also a $6,500 camera vs a $2,500 camera. In an industry where many already struggle to pay $2,500 for a camera it's unheard of to consider a $6,500 camera. It's not even remotely a consideration for 99% of those looking for a professional camera. Yes I did in fact forget about it because it's a non option for most people. Even the R5c costs much less and has 8k 60p vs the 8k 30p of the A1. The A1 is not all that special when you factor in cost. The R5 is almost 1/2 the cost and provides more or less the same.
 
Doug Jensen said:
Uh, have you never heard of the Sony a1? I will put my a1 up against anything from Canon any day of the week.
Click to expand...

The A1 can also only do external 4.3k raw which is a crop vs the R5 at 1/2 the cost which can do 8k FF external raw. A1 is limited to UHD 8k at 7680 while the R5 and R5C support DCI 8k and 4k. The A1 may have a bit more DR but in almost every other spec is not providing as much as the R5 does for $3,600.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top