Canon R5 Announced with 8k

ahalpert said:
You can playback 8K RAW smoothly?
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Clermond said:
super smooth
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This is the kind of information exchange that might lead to misunderstandings.

Clermond, by saying "8K raw playback", do you simply mean that you can import 8K raw clips and work with them without transcoding? There is a huge gap between having imported 8K clips and working with a HD timeline in 'better performance' mode in FCP and working with an 8K timeline in 'better quality' mode.

Some might say that the former is "all that matters" and someone else might say that if it isn't the latter, then it doesn't count. I guess there is truth in both ways to look at it.

Also Clermond, do you happen to use Resolve?
 
Here is an example that I wouldn't consider "butter smooth":

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It would be nice to get to the bottom of things, but we need information. Too many general statements that mean very little.
 
I don't use Resolve. For what I do (hobbyist! :) ) FCP with ColorFinale is a perfect solution. I wouldn't get better results in Resolve but I am way faster in editing and adjusting colors in FCP

I simply import all clips without transcoding. They all playback in "better performance" including 4K120p and 8K RAW. In "better quality" I have to render the 8K files as they are a bit choppy. RAW is a bit more studdering than 8K all-I. All 4K files are fine. 4K standard, HQ, 4K120 and 4K60.

With my maxed out 15" MBP from 2018 i cannot play these files at all and in even my iMac 2019 is in trouble. I am very exited that my 1,680€ net MPB can do this. Finally I can check my footage on the computer when I am on location.
 
AndreeOnline said:
It would be nice to get to the bottom of things, but we need information. Too many general statements that mean very little.
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Browse YouTube for people playing and showing R5's 8K RAW in various software, and see if that works for you. In some videos you'll be able to see dropped frames with certain software and/or sustained playback (versus 5 seconds or so which may not tell you much).
 
Clermond said:
I simply import all clips without transcoding. They all playback in "better performance" including 4K120p and 8K RAW. In "better quality" I have to render the 8K files as they are a bit choppy. RAW is a bit more studdering than 8K all-I. All 4K files are fine. 4K standard, HQ, 4K120 and 4K60.
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Fine in what? =)

If you create a new timeline and drag an 8K clip into it, you get an 8K timeline. If you start with a 4K clip you get a 4K timeline. If you select manual settings you get to decide upfront. What are your timeline settings? What your actual source clips are isn't that important. Your timeline setting is what the computer "sees" and "feels" in terms of load. Yes, this is a simplification, but it's still much more valid than saying "8K is smooth" (and by that meaning 8K source in HD timeline).

Clermond said:
I am very exited that my 1,680€ net MPB can do this. Finally I can check my footage on the computer when I am on location.
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Sounds like a great match for your setup and needs. The M1 is exciting!

NorBro said:
Browse YouTube for people playing and showing R5's 8K RAW in various software, and see if that works for you.
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It's not for me. It's more of a PSA thing. The M1 chips and computers are great, but perhaps a wee bit misunderstood. Luckily, the people who read about the great performance (not directed at Clermond here) and don't see the red flags, often end up using them in exactly the use cases where these computers DO excel. So no harm.

My thinking was that on this forum we want to understand things properly.
 
DM_R said:
Nothing found about the performance of AE on the M1 processors. Has anyone tested?
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all Adobe apps are still running under Rosetta. Performance testing does not make too much sense at the moment.

I just found out that pretty much high end plugins for FCP aren't ported to M1 yet. The 15" 2108 has to stay longer than expected.
 
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AndreeOnline said:
I went back few pages to see if you had mentioned it recently, but couldn't find it: what computer are you using? What timeline resolution?
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A 10-core 7900x windows 10 system. I had the 2080ti back then. Timeline in full 8k. I had to disable gpu color scopes as the 11gb of the 2080ti were at a limit.
 
AndreeOnline said:
Um die Ecke =)

4479 CHF from Digitec delivered tomorrow. But it's just the body. No kits by the looks of it, so you'll need to use RF glass or get the adapter from somewhere else.
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Ah, did not check Digitec. Their main storage location is around 400 meters from here where I live, in Wohlen.
 
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